Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.030 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'repository': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'windows,': 0.09; '3:51': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'assortment': 0.16; 'choice,': 0.16; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'from:name:alexander': 0.16; 'packaging.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'properly': 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'example': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; '(or': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; '>': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'compared': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'software,': 0.31; 'forces': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'date.': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'expected': 0.38; 'manager': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'hat': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'unable': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'managers': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; 'secure': 0.71; 'quality': 0.72; 'forth': 0.81; 'satisfied': 0.81; '2015': 0.84; 'flexible,': 0.84; 'reliable,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Z7OLoQWwIfGOqpEpZaPc+otphfNYfAb5wCATog1Qspc=; b=Nq+haP8UU+eu94Ii6tzRag/mj1nMBN4OrKGGBSTP22Cc1HCZcNoWXz+3sECMdB+Q4R iXm6+yvPeZzaL3gV5feuyMOtFgAmEEu7j9DzJbA6iOh/E9B/5cqRSYpCOFudhUdERpdv +uCZiVzcoPXZArrNkEOoJGfzHM7eCinKulS0eBqYTj6clJI5NUYbSZDZqBibW6hpnD1t DBCuBcIDtcSv7beeeHGrINpqQRMP8fPV8lebWrHfNxXmeyxd9Tj5EB7rP6J75nvizHBX PoL4P3zzA7KYYoHkZ7cLrPWv89BKkrJpnEUhIq4OEfeogX4y92htf4NyweNIbzKuBTNh IpzA== X-Received: by 10.194.21.137 with SMTP id v9mr126280910wje.140.1426563898661; Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:44:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <550796CB.5040603@gmail.com> References: <20150316025301.GA94576@cskk.homeip.net> <873855tts4.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <55068cb0$0$12923$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761a1gxhq.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <550710DD.3030405@gmail.com> <55078762.6050809@gmail.com> <85twxks5x4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <550796CB.5040603@gmail.com> From: Alexander Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:44:38 +1300 Subject: Re: [OT] Weaknesses of distro package managers - was Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d28346ddff5051173ca0b X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 79 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426563901 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37721 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87614 --047d7b5d28346ddff5051173ca0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, Surely you did not look at the package manager and package assortment of OpenBSD. It is actually a really good example of how package repository can be both reliable, easy to use and up to date. Also, what sort of quality can be expected from a piece of software, whose author is unable to package it properly (or to design it, so it can be packaged)? On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 03/16/2015 08:40 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Thanks again. This is an important and difficult problem, with competing > > forces at play, and I am not at all satisfied with the current state of > > packaging. > > I agree. Though I like the concept of package managers and curated > repos, compared to the dismal world of Windows, I also am not very > satisfied with the current state of things. > > That's why I think the ideas coming out of this Red Hat think tank are > interesting and worth discussion. They put forth a possible solution > that keeps the existing things we love about package managers and our > distros of choice, while addressing these important issues in a > maintainable, flexible, and still secure way. > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > --047d7b5d28346ddff5051173ca0b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

Surely you did not loo= k at the package manager and package assortment of OpenBSD.

It= is actually a really good example of how package repository can be both re= liable, easy to use and up to date.

Also, what sort of quality= can be expected from a piece of software, whose author is unable to packag= e it properly (or to design it, so it can be packaged)?



On Tue, = Mar 17, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> = wrote:
On 03/16/2015 08:= 40 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Thanks again. This is an important and difficult problem, with competi= ng
> forces at play, and I am not at all satisfied with the current state o= f
> packaging.

I agree.=C2=A0 Though I like the concept of package managers and cur= ated
repos, compared to the dismal world of Windows, I also am not very
satisfied with the current state of things.

That's why I think the ideas coming out of this Red Hat think tank are<= br> interesting and worth discussion.=C2=A0 They put forth a possible solution<= br> that keeps the existing things we love about package managers and our
distros of choice, while addressing these important issues in a
maintainable, flexible, and still secure way.

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