Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; '(at': 0.04; 'obj': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; '(var': 0.16; 'false:': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iterating': 0.16; 'likely.': 0.16; 'statements,': 0.16; 'true:': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'solution.': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'this?': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'header': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'function': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'indentation': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'common': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'var': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'turn': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'break': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'places': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'biggest': 0.67; 'frequently': 0.68; 'condition.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=yiokYzyIK06r2MMO8uBBysPAQUUNp77tU7z+Pp55RpQ=; b=Az6XaIr9Sl9EIksyB7xj2lu5MXLw76lJTzxR0j7xLJJ45C5fyOvUj5jspNiKi5Xi3l UXtLTXReaLtUyHe0dx9Cep6BUPP9b4mrHebp814p3DGaSsYBAu/QdfubaokXnybwnOtS wPIlHETqelI6ul8DZoemguIvntCmpGHeVLdhNzWcGft1uTvU7wBUFDNUMP4GMNxbAAwN OL5rULHZQaKgba/jd8vhcTVzpmK4NJo/C9YbYRx+2gkUltXmHuwtdQHvJQjApsDSpoaV qovZZ5IgnpvZQi7bVlzZo20OP7MOeI31l1BSo3eF72mFoo+eHE/Pa/rgOtp63Wl1utv4 Zlqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.66.234 with SMTP id i10mr49618195pat.127.1388720981626; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 19:49:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52c62fa8$0$30001$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <52C59FF6.5000607@allsup.co> <52c62fa8$0$30001$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:49:41 +1100 Subject: Re: Ifs and assignments From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388720985 news.xs4all.nl 2841 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42791 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63023 On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > However, I don't think we should treat this as specific to if statements: > > for i, obj in enumerate(alist + blist + clist as items): > items[i] = process(obj) > > > Is that really better than this? > > items = alist + blist + clist > for i, obj in enumerate(items): > items[i] = process(obj) It definitely shouldn't be specific to if statements, though I think that's probably going to be the biggest use-case (chained if/elif blocks). Maybe a for loop isn't the best other example, but I frequently work with places where I want to call some function and keep iterating with the result of that until it returns false: while (var = func()) { .... } In Python, that gets a lot clunkier. The most popular way is to turn it into an infinite loop: while True: var = func() if not var: break .... which is pretty much how the C version will compile down, most likely. It feels like an assembly language solution. The point of a while loop is to put its condition into the loop header - burying it inside the indented block (at the same indentation level as most of the code) conceals that, and this is a very simple and common condition. So this is what I'd cite as a second use-case: while func() as var: .... And that definitely looks more readable. ChrisA