Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'thread.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'url:home': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'pass': 0.22; 'appear': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'went': 0.28; 'there!': 0.29; 'there.': 0.30; 'good.': 0.32; 'unicode': 0.35; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'level': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'more': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; '+1000,': 0.84; 'rue': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'besides,': 0.93; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:32:13 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <55f4657f$0$1675$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0034a8bd-cd81-4c5e-9759-1ce1aa97e2e2@googlegroups.com> <0f742e14-1983-42ae-a774-f8a9f3485e34@googlegroups.com> <5d871fb7-03f5-4b58-b03b-d411fc693658@googlegroups.com> <55F4E0E0.6020009@gmail.com> <85zj0r59av.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-68-178-61.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442161946 news.xs4all.nl 23731 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36062 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96510 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:42:48 +1000, Ben Finney declaimed the following: >Michael Torrie writes: > >> On 09/12/2015 08:22 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> > You appear to have the same level of knowledge of Python internals as >> > the RUE has of the Python 3.3+ FSR unicode implementation. Let's have >> > some fun, is Python pass by value or pass by reference? It has to be >> > more interesting debating that than the drivel that's gone before in >> > this thread. >> >> Oh you are a devious one there! This should get good. > >No, it should stop there. Taunting trolls is no more welcome here than >trolling. > Besides, we went through that last year... -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/