Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.karotte.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 23:29:43 +0000 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <56d16e6a$0$1593$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <85ziujwhdt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de WRrmcQpl/4/TMqsNM6EX4QQrWXm6bvaJG5GCNV53Ek1g== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'before.': 0.09; 'forcing': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'question.': 0.13; 'appropriate': 0.14; '2016': 0.16; 'episodes.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'reserve.': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'second- guess': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'unconnected': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'academic': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'larry': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; 'language.': 0.32; "i'll": 0.33; 'but': 0.36; 'needed': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'turn': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'him': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'real': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; '>>>>>': 0.66; 'him,': 0.67; 'reply': 0.68; 'expert': 0.70; 'experts': 0.70; 'industry': 0.70; 'drug': 0.72; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.72; 'delusions': 0.84; 'drugs': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'subject:author': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'doctor': 0.91; 'misleading': 0.91; 'health.': 0.93; 'story.': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.234.182.166 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103767 On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >> Rustom Mody writes: >> >>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >>>> Ian Kelly writes: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >>>>>> I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I >>>>>> don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had >>>>>> learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before. >>>>> >>>>> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses? >>>> >>>> Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to >>>> say that one has "learned" it. >>> >>> And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? >> >> A nice academic question. Not appropriate when we're discussing a real >> person's psychotic episodes. Neither you nor I are experts in whether an >> experience is psychosis, and the person already has an expert diagnosis. >> >> So please don't de-rail into the weeds of second-guessing an expert in >> mental health. Unless you know the person's mental health better than >> their doctor (and you do not), don't second-guess the diagnosis they >> received. > > I think for the most part, the mental health industry is most > interested in pushing drugs and forcing people into some status quo. > I am disgusted by your comments. I'll keep my original reply in reserve. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence