Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.103 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'responding': 0.07; "people's": 0.09; '>>': 0.16; 'loop.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; '>>>': 0.24; 'passes': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'certain': 0.27; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'appear': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'external': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'clever': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'sources': 0.33; 'to:name:python-list': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'knows': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'controls': 0.36; 'feedback': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'analysis,': 0.60; 'july': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'minutes': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'nobody': 0.68; 'jul': 0.74; 'absolutely.': 0.84; 'bot': 0.84; 'routines': 0.84; 'period.': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6fvPiNUl1MRQCOlo/gbvnBL2RwehGJpPqTE6Gwam89I=; b=wNO5jC6sz+UfoEsINS7q27XQ5l3qgQQqHjZOiR21jN48lxHHLC6GevUGSNHA942zlI FvEqw0Ef30hmuLIKd3uqbx9dZKloeFg3JerQ7cyhbBOXdKkXHJobKJD13gaiby3aivqw U6EJhxHUSS2Y36q3DPxTC6SvIkKKxeD9I67ZNR+18+0QBXuGQ0Zha4qkv2hr/R2w+vjc YtKwHXJtvNCS5zCNvyVEgbzA6zQFQL5bUCDNSH8Cel2Ea8/LeUzGWIe/uPbrPY+UWGZi yTKLpMbTWJppMW2B5S/uBcMw4Tj3ftC2jZrx4P6X/7LASQe3JTU5Kn2V7awczA2TxF04 DIyA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.34.231 with SMTP id c7mr38840775oej.52.1373954806889; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:06:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <571a6dfe-fd66-42cf-92fc-8b97cbe6e9e4@googlegroups.com> <51DFDE65.5040001@Gmail.com> <51e0e7aa$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9a97b618-3e80-4149-9155-14fb210a0758@googlegroups.com> <51e3ecbd$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51E3F0A0.9060001@Gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 16:06:46 +1000 Subject: Re: Dihedral From: Tim Delaney To: Python-List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01294b0c33cc6a04e19ac885 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 86 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1373954816 news.xs4all.nl 15926 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46031 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50727 --089e01294b0c33cc6a04e19ac885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16 July 2013 08:59, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:54 AM, F=C3=A1bio Santos > wrote: > > > >> On 07/15/2013 08:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >>> > >>> Devyn, > >>> > >>> 88888 Dihedral is our resident bot, not a human being. Nobody knows w= ho > >>> controls it, and why they are running it, but we are pretty certain > that > >>> it is a bot responding mechanically to keywords in people's posts. > >>> > >>> It's a very clever bot, but still a bot. About one post in four is > >>> meaningless jargon, the other three are relevant enough to fool peopl= e > >>> into thinking that maybe it is a human being. It had me fooled for a > long > >>> time. > >>> > > > > Does this mean he passes the Turing test? > > Yes, absolutely. The original Turing test was defined in terms of five > minutes of analysis, and Dihedral and jmf have clearly been > indistinguishably human across that approximate period. > The big difference between them is that the jmfbot does not appear to evolve its routines in response to external sources - it seems to be stuck in a closed feedback loop. Tim Delaney --089e01294b0c33cc6a04e19ac885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 16 July 2013 08:59, Chris Angelico &l= t;rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:54 AM, F= =C3=A1bio Santos <fabiosanto= sart@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/15/2013 08:36 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>
>>> Devyn,
>>>
>>> 88888 Dihedral is our resident bot, not a human being. Nobody = knows who
>>> controls it, and why they are running it, but we are pretty ce= rtain that
>>> it is a bot responding mechanically to keywords in people'= s posts.
>>>
>>> It's a very clever bot, but still a bot. About one post in= four is
>>> meaningless jargon, the other three are relevant enough to foo= l people
>>> into thinking that maybe it is a human being. It had me fooled= for a long
>>> time.
>>>
>
> Does this mean he passes the Turing test?

Yes, absolutely. The original Turing test was defined in terms = of five
minutes of analysis, and Dihedral and jmf have clearly been
indistinguishably human across that approximate period.

The big difference between them is that the jmfbot does no= t appear to evolve its routines in response to external sources - it seems = to be stuck in a closed feedback loop.

Tim Delaney
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