Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'computing,': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; 'facts': 0.09; 'function,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'posted': 0.15; 'definition.': 0.16; 'feeding': 0.16; 'lambda': 0.16; 'mark,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:between': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'subtle.': 0.16; 'demonstrate': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'logical': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'shown': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'about.': 0.31; 'clever': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'agree': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'ago,': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'wish': 0.70; '2015': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'rue': 0.84; 'subject: *': 0.84; 'subject:Good': 0.91; 'thesis': 0.91; 'relating': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Instead of deciding between Python or Lisp for a programming intro course...What about an intro course that uses *BOTH*? Good idea? Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 03:35:55 +0100 References: <02dba7aa-8466-4937-a8d8-82ffd03e5568@googlegroups.com> <87wq0gyvyr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <55515f9d$0$12987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <569169cf-d232-48c0-bd49-91090e9c0ddb@googlegroups.com> <1fdbee0a-b425-44ff-b706-b6b407358bf1@googlegroups.com> <5552b74e$0$12985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5a982567-8d89-42b0-9f47-956e61a21274@googlegroups.com> <71ee2dbb-27a3-45ad-b903-bffca6d8923f@googlegroups.com> <5553fd0e$0$12995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-206-130.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <5553fd0e$0$12995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431570976 news.xs4all.nl 2837 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37691 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90601 On 14/05/2015 02:40, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 2015 04:07 am, zipher wrote: > >> >> No, you haven't understood, padawan. Lambda *is* the function, not it's >> definition. Perhaps you will understand what I mean by that, perhaps you >> won't. It's subtle. > > Subtle like a kick to the head. > > Mark, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that we don't agree with > you because we "boneheads" don't understand what you are talking about. > That's wrong. We understand what you are talking about. We don't agree with > you because half of your thesis is wrong and the other half is not even > wrong. > > If you wish to change our minds, you're going to have to demonstrate > objective, verifiable facts and not just allude to how your ideas are too > subtle and clever for us. > From the very first drivel that he posted on python ideas just over two years ago, he's shown that he's incapable of any logical thought relating to computing, in just the same way that the RUE has never posted anything logical about the FSR. Please can we stop feeding him. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence