Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'agree.': 0.16; 'choice,': 0.16; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'packaging.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'compared': 0.30; 'forces': 0.31; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'hat': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'worry': 0.60; 'managers': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'secure': 0.71; 'forth': 0.81; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'flexible,': 0.84; 'lucky': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: [OT] Weaknesses of distro package managers - was Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:01:47 +0000 References: <20150316025301.GA94576@cskk.homeip.net> <873855tts4.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <55068cb0$0$12923$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761a1gxhq.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <550710DD.3030405@gmail.com> <55078762.6050809@gmail.com> <85twxks5x4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <550796CB.5040603@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-223-15.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: <550796CB.5040603@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426561316 news.xs4all.nl 2976 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87599 On 17/03/2015 02:51, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 03/16/2015 08:40 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >> Thanks again. This is an important and difficult problem, with competing >> forces at play, and I am not at all satisfied with the current state of >> packaging. > > I agree. Though I like the concept of package managers and curated > repos, compared to the dismal world of Windows, I also am not very > satisfied with the current state of things. > > That's why I think the ideas coming out of this Red Hat think tank are > interesting and worth discussion. They put forth a possible solution > that keeps the existing things we love about package managers and our > distros of choice, while addressing these important issues in a > maintainable, flexible, and still secure way. > Reading this makes me realise how lucky I am not having to worry about such issues. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence