Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.034 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'windows,': 0.09; 'agree.': 0.16; 'choice,': 0.16; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'packaging.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'compared': 0.30; 'forces': 0.31; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'thanks': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'hat': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'managers': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'secure': 0.71; 'forth': 0.81; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'flexible,': 0.84 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:51:55 -0600 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: [OT] Weaknesses of distro package managers - was Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain References: <20150316025301.GA94576@cskk.homeip.net> <873855tts4.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <55068cb0$0$12923$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761a1gxhq.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <550710DD.3030405@gmail.com> <55078762.6050809@gmail.com> <85twxks5x4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> In-Reply-To: <85twxks5x4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426560721 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45844 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87597 On 03/16/2015 08:40 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Thanks again. This is an important and difficult problem, with competing > forces at play, and I am not at all satisfied with the current state of > packaging. I agree. Though I like the concept of package managers and curated repos, compared to the dismal world of Windows, I also am not very satisfied with the current state of things. That's why I think the ideas coming out of this Red Hat think tank are interesting and worth discussion. They put forth a possible solution that keeps the existing things we love about package managers and our distros of choice, while addressing these important issues in a maintainable, flexible, and still secure way.