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From: Joel Goldstick To: Dennis Lee Bieber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133561a26decd04e1591118 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:00:27 +0200 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 122 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1373893228 news.xs4all.nl 15949 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50808 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50685 --001a1133561a26decd04e1591118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:47:38 +1000, Chris Angelico > declaimed the following: > > > > >Oh, and just for laughs, I tried a few of my recent mobile IP > >addresses in the GeoIP lookup. All of them quoted Melbourne someplace, > >some in the CBD and some out in the suburbs, but all vastly wrong, and > >places I haven't been. But I'd never expect it to be accurate on > >those. > > > Well... the MaxMind demo of "my IP" did get the proper metropolitan > area... But they list the ISP as "AT&T"... My real ISP is Earthlink > (piggybacking on AT&T DSL service). > > The Lat/Long, however shows as > > 42.9634 -85.6681 > whereas a recent GPS readout shows > 42.9159 -85.5541 > > or 2m50s too far north, and 6m50s too far west. > > Same website, accessed from my Blackberry phone, gave a result of > "United States, NA" and location 38 -97 > -- > Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN > wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/ > > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > Speaking more from a political perspective, an important aspect of the internet is that if you are a publisher who doesn't require registration to read what you post, your readers are free to be more or less anonymous. This is a good thing in many ways. If you have a service that requires some sort of sign up, then you can require knowing things about them (location, etc). If you want to know where your readers are, you need to make arrangements with their ISPs to get that information, since in many cases the ISP has a physical link to your machine. But why should they provide that to you? After all you are not their customer. It might be fun to know, but the repercussions are serious. -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com --001a1133561a26decd04e1591118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix= .netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 02:47:38 +1000, Chris An= gelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
declaimed the following:

>
>Oh, and just for laughs, I tried a few of my recent mobile IP
>addresses in the GeoIP lookup. All of them quoted Melbourne someplace,<= br> >some in the CBD and some out in the suburbs, but all vastly wrong, and<= br> >places I haven't been. But I'd never expect it to be accurate o= n
>those.
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Well... the MaxMind demo of "my IP&q= uot; did get the proper metropolitan
area... But they list the ISP as "AT&T"... My real ISP is Ear= thlink
(piggybacking on AT&T DSL service).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Lat/Long, however shows as

42.9634 -85.6681
whereas a recent GPS readout shows
42.9159 -85.5541

or 2m50s too far north, and 6m50s too far west.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Same website, accessed from my Blackberry phone= , gave a result of
"United States, NA" and location 38 -97
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wulfraed =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dennis Lee Bieber =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AF6VN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 wlfraed@ix.netcom.co= m =C2=A0 =C2=A0HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Speak= ing more from a political perspective, an important aspect of the internet = is that if you are a publisher who doesn't require registration to read= what you post, your readers are free to be more or less anonymous.=C2=A0 T= his is a good thing in many ways.=C2=A0 If you have a service that requires= some sort of sign up, then you can require knowing things about them (loca= tion, etc).=C2=A0 If you want to know where your readers are, you need to m= ake arrangements with their ISPs to get that information, since in many cas= es the ISP has a physical link to your machine.=C2=A0 But why should they p= rovide that to you?=C2=A0 After all you are not their customer.

It might be fun to know, but the reper= cussions are serious.


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