Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'thread.': 0.16; 'wished': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'pass': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'appear': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'figure': 0.27; 'there!': 0.29; 'there.': 0.30; 'good.': 0.32; 'michael': 0.33; 'unicode': 0.35; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'level': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'no,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'more': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'wish': 0.71; '_o__)': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'rue': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:42:48 +1000 References: <85mvws6z45.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85io7g6xy4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85egi46wng.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> <8e16c020-e734-401d-92cb-10a2cdddd497@googlegroups.com> <55f4657f$0$1675$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0034a8bd-cd81-4c5e-9759-1ce1aa97e2e2@googlegroups.com> <0f742e14-1983-42ae-a774-f8a9f3485e34@googlegroups.com> <5d871fb7-03f5-4b58-b03b-d411fc693658@googlegroups.com> <55F4E0E0.6020009@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lwUsnOQz/wz5ePqMR15KXJmNsxk= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442112179 news.xs4all.nl 23825 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43597 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96485 Michael Torrie writes: > On 09/12/2015 08:22 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > > You appear to have the same level of knowledge of Python internals as > > the RUE has of the Python 3.3+ FSR unicode implementation. Let's have > > some fun, is Python pass by value or pass by reference? It has to be > > more interesting debating that than the drivel that's gone before in > > this thread. > > Oh you are a devious one there! This should get good. No, it should stop there. Taunting trolls is no more welcome here than trolling. -- \ “I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as | `\ my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer | _o__) figure out how to use my telephone.” —Bjarne Stroustrup | Ben Finney