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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 217.39.32.97 by mail.tesco.net; Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:17:02 +0100 X-Mailer: 4.2.7 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=W5MoBzYaD9EA:10 a=VGi4Nqwp24wA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=uVhb0EPuAAAA:8 a=nWwrNhkoAAAA:8 a=6bQkU-fnAAAA:8 a=1AQPMO6VCdxPXA3UVzgA:9 a=TT46_9IDeZPFu38GrFcA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 83 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303057024 news.xs4all.nl 81484 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:34736 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3412 Hello Steven... I read the whole of your post first and you come across one abrasive character. >> I can easily place a machine code, PURE binary, routine into Python. > What do you mean by "into Python"? Do you mean patching the Python > compiler? Injecting code into the runtime interpreter? No and no. > Storing a bunch of bytes in memory? Not quite but close enough at this point... > What machine code, for which CPU? Is that important when I mentioned MMU at the end of my question? If it is so important then how about 68060 for a starter. >> I can also find out where it is EXACTLY just as easily so this is not my >> problem. > And how would you do that? Why should I reveal that secret at this point, if you want to know, buy an AMIGA without an MMU and run Python to find out where it is - I already know. I`ll give you a clue... id(some_object) is close enough but NOT that close. I'll give you a second clue... the NOP assembly instruction IS important, 0x4e75, two bytes for 68K and 0x90? one byte for x86, again byte, word or long isn't important. >> The problem is calling it! >> can I expect a "segmentation error" > Almost certainly. Thank you! That was all I wanted not the supercilious attitude you have shown with the remainder of your post below, that was unnecessary. > Sorry to be cynical, but if you have to ask these questions, you almost > certainly don't have the skill to successfully pull it off. Quote my RSM:- "Never underestimate you opponent!" > Reading your questions is a bit like hearing somebody saying "I have a > Swiss Army Knife. If I poke around here in somebody's chest, can I do a > heart transplant, or do you think they might die?" Did I ask for that?!? >> OR because the "Jump" command is >> already inside the Python terminal would this be considered inside >> Python`s working memory from the MMUs point of view? > I don't know. That depends on what you mean by "into Python". Someone else understood immediately but maybe for pedanticheads like you I should have written "Python script". Anyhow "no it can't be done" would have been quite sufficient. I am silent on this now as the previous poster already answered.my question. -- 73... Bazza, G0LCU... Team AMIGA... http://homepages.tesco.net/wisecracker/ http://main.aminet.net/search?readme=wisecracker http://mikeos.berlios.de/