Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Larry Martell Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Why do you use python? 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(And yes, it will be described that way by the next person, >> no matter how careful you are.) It's in their interests to restrict >> its complexity at least a bit. I'm not sure what advantage you gain by >> incorporating C# into the mix, but the *dis*advantage is that, forever >> afterward, Visual Studio and Mono will be necessary to use and develop >> this project. Every new thing needed is another thing that can go >> wrong, another thing people need to learn, etc, etc. >> >> So instead of treating programming like a plumber at a hardware store, >> treat it like an artist with a canvas. You wouldn't normally see a >> portrait done partly in watercolor and partly in oils - or if it is, >> it's for a VERY deliberate effect. You'd more often see one style used >> for one project, and maybe another one used for another. >> >> ChrisA > > Spot on. It's actually worse than Chris says. I've had trouble with old= code that I WROTE MYSELF. Please don't tell me that I didn't try hard eno= ugh the first time......the only time to find that out is the second time!! https://xkcd.com/1421/