Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.050 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'haskell,': 0.16; 'lisp': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:between': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'room': 0.29; '13,': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'himself': 0.36; 'machine.': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'functional': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'truly': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'complete': 0.62; 'decided': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'sharing': 0.69; 'therefore': 0.72; 'obvious': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'appearance.': 0.84; 'conclude': 0.84; 'infamous': 0.84; 'rue': 0.84; 'subject: *': 0.84; 'severe': 0.91; 'subject:Good': 0.91; 'suffer': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Instead of deciding between Python or Lisp for a programming intro course...What about an intro course that uses *BOTH*? Good idea? Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:55:21 +0100 References: <02dba7aa-8466-4937-a8d8-82ffd03e5568@googlegroups.com> <87wq0gyvyr.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <55515f9d$0$12987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <569169cf-d232-48c0-bd49-91090e9c0ddb@googlegroups.com> <1fdbee0a-b425-44ff-b706-b6b407358bf1@googlegroups.com> <5552b74e$0$12985$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5a982567-8d89-42b0-9f47-956e61a21274@googlegroups.com> <71ee2dbb-27a3-45ad-b903-bffca6d8923f@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-179-197.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431554132 news.xs4all.nl 2955 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35518 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90585 On 13/05/2015 22:38, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:07 PM, zipher wrote: >> >> Yes, and LISP is neither. Although LISP is a functional style, that is only by appearance. It's completely different from Haskell, which I would describe as a true functional language. The difference is how the program is lexed in the mind or on the machine. But that's too difficult to explain on this thread. > > And Fermat had a truly marvelous proof, which you would think > wonderful, if only he had enough room in that infamous margin. > The RUE also has a marvellous proof that the PEP 393 FSR is complete nonsense, but as it's so obvious to himself he's decided its not worth sharing with anybody else. What with that and this thread I therefore conclude that both the RUE and zipher suffer from a very severe case of Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome. >> >> No, you haven't understood, padawan. > > *plonk* > You took your time over that :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence