Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'mouse': 0.07; 'properly.': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:features': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'windows': 0.15; 'clunky': 0.16; 'different?': 0.16; 'excellent,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'worse.': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'keyboard': 0.24; 'paul': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'external': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'ease': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'selection': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'except': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'ibm': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'feedback': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'high': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'subject:Important': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'close': 0.67; 'jul': 0.74; 'horrible': 0.84; 'mice': 0.84; 'tactile': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zD+Dkyo+/tqVK8i00N7jDiSAEFDh3pRDnRp56W03vW8=; b=C1kYVDtCIOuV/KPQnB8QtmFZIi7m+YoBdXDPthoBVCpkM90OUO+8I97dd7UVj1LmOd nBHAYzUGLxe91XN+8VbsWEsOq3vT9m5lwziBQ+/W1zGklnivV1Kf3y9KZWQb48vzMh7+ Y3D+9pa3eVs4fz99umOyHvw5S0k5uQGIvwpccvzRH+uRG17wXbd5Yj7z04CJxu+k084A bZTU9UT1My2IqdLlW8190vyOheD1Ci7rBs1frerES2W5x59ALy3tCIkEqGvI7AVLgiTW l1oHnj9sgnJ28X7WQDsLpDx9RWceUt1c9xxPlrUM+afVTtqFcH/tELy4oo/HEVjIahf8 M/Ew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.169.146 with SMTP id z18mr23588889vcy.80.1373603645406; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:34:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51df84f9$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <2fdf282e-fd28-4ba3-8c83-aaaace1201ec@googlegroups.com> <87d2qpw1bp.fsf@no-fixed-abode.cable.virginmedia.net> <51df84f9$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:34:05 +1000 Subject: Re: Editor Ergonomics [was: Important features for editors] From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1373603653 news.xs4all.nl 15963 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36835 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50493 On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:50:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Paul Rudin >> wrote: >>> Text selection with a mouse is a different thing. Sometimes it's more >>> convenient, sometimes it's not. >> >> As screens get larger and the amount of text on them increases, it's >> likely to get more and more useful to use a mouse... but personally, I >> still find the switch-to-mouse operation so clunky on anything except a >> Thinkpad that I'll use the keyboard even if it's a bit slower. (Why are >> Thinkpads different? Because the mouse, which is excellent, is right >> under my fingers, between G/H/B. > > You mean those horrible nipple things? > > Ewwww. Ewwww. Damn things get the tactile feedback *completely* wrong. > They're even worse than those awful little mousepads that you stroke. > > Frankly, nothing comes even close to a real mouse for feedback and ease > of use. Maybe a stylus. But that's it. I would guess that you used a Dell one. They're far FAR worse. We have Dell laptops at work and I use external mice with them all. The IBM trackpoint is far better. I can game with a trackpoint, but when I built a Windows 7 desktop box for Alice, I had to go buy a high precision mouse just to be able to game properly. ChrisA