Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Larry Martell Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:40:20 -0500 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <56d16e6a$0$1593$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <85ziujwhdt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de P41J0OOCQekgC5CTg9MqXwvaxRJWBS1PpRhzwr+MSNNQ== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.053 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'before.': 0.09; 'forcing': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'question.': 0.13; 'appropriate': 0.14; '2016': 0.16; 'episodes.': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'second-guess': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'unconnected': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'to:name:python- list@python.org': 0.20; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'academic': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'larry': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'needed': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'turn': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'him': 0.60; 'real': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'him,': 0.67; 'expert': 0.70; 'experts': 0.70; 'industry': 0.70; 'drug': 0.72; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.72; 'delusions': 0.84; 'drugs': 0.84; 'subject:author': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'doctor': 0.91; 'misleading': 0.91; 'health.': 0.93; 'story.': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TcGNXachKHRocG3gjl3xREElI1WjgYoKM9DyMWX0Fls=; b=vU7tzSYhxF7JwL5/F1E2L+r9ZUxlbt8ENLqLjL6auwBM8kRlSQ08bm+JN6kWDMS9E2 d2nrJJddq8TKmUhrX0I7VkaksM8Q5m1e/nPsjwZhJA/fXa7fO1Fgp6+G6RSfll6bjKrp V0FsMSrLA2fz2xxUpxwkHqoqKlfQhEVS3WuR/6u1mj/AXaFtE49htgqo5CPu8CxevBpa d09BkatAUk2PdYznqjIpjhIG34qyB83fotkenPIQTchRqeKChdJ3RJptL1RJwxK93BS7 +mNMstj8kaVCrVjQMwHeOHyYbrSoizjZlpOqrzHCALeT8jdFY0f22SMXYSG8FxK2KjPY JBeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TcGNXachKHRocG3gjl3xREElI1WjgYoKM9DyMWX0Fls=; b=cJD/k5y7iCag/VDS0+LhdVitc7YkB7cQKQqgQMuNYdmOrnrpcU9kibHqoi654NvdaF aKkhW1FF8eirHm7PXY6fHQWKF3lORpy1oW+HSJhpz0tu9LKxplndvGTABHDNIiLYIFF5 oNFyMBDKCmFUeuM+GlL6p2yZfUWA8US0Rw9bGvdcETYsa6umnFK0u75QTqMJNULliBne TEEpfbSvWhHZc9pYtjoPXHM9vj+za/lAM8KZ4sGqOWLfQ0OEAloyUvHgsRlY2vwnCvqd vI/99aqx3BvGPvp2QKoz0nQsOK0jbdtpsIo7gllMr+0qaUcEo7TyWlYcyJLreS+3wY/u LU9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJK8EzxtzlFxyV5lr8r6PmSv6Fa0mbvtHKjVEkbBKPj89eBiVqheRMtFKjOl9buNrh4yOh/iCug/bLOrhw== X-Received: by 10.50.43.199 with SMTP id y7mr343478igl.47.1456785660385; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:41:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <85ziujwhdt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103764 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Rustom Mody writes: > >> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >> > Ian Kelly writes: >> > >> > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >> > > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I >> > > > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had >> > > > learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before. >> > > >> > > "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses? >> > >> > Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to >> > say that one has "learned" it. >> >> And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? > > A nice academic question. Not appropriate when we're discussing a real > person's psychotic episodes. Neither you nor I are experts in whether an > experience is psychosis, and the person already has an expert diagnosis. > > So please don't de-rail into the weeds of second-guessing an expert in > mental health. Unless you know the person's mental health better than > their doctor (and you do not), don't second-guess the diagnosis they > received. I think for the most part, the mental health industry is most interested in pushing drugs and forcing people into some status quo.