Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 06:04:02 +1100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <85r3gf55k4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85mvr26dij.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 29zE4ViBcws5j2EM8sMBKgk5t88GxUnWowaxQONFsmrw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'correct.': 0.07; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.09; '2016': 0.16; '23,': 0.16; 'accidental': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'nonzero': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'purposes': 0.20; 'fairly': 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'checking': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; 'point': 0.33; 'impression': 0.33; 'point,': 0.33; 'though.': 0.33; 'tue,': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'quite': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'possible.': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; "won't": 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'face': 0.64; 'hand': 0.82; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'collision': 0.84; 'collision.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'ethan': 0.91; 'maybe,': 0.91; 'subject:Make': 0.91; 'fare': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Hs/Ye8dnuRjA4w5HfORsm7dhGShgsIa5+vIlO8seaoU=; b=W/jP6aRg6ubd0PiS38Bc5E4Rx9sE6TFGm4VpQDueKlxPXXJrC9gbEfj/2R0+S7+40H /QFwEQhn6TJBrHp8rJJtA3z/Zcvu8ZKrSZ5BS4/Sw0tNB/PmXrQd2abGtlM5Sg3bcH0U yIr7eprkOLB+ZXS6uHPDc++fsts6vZ03uWcGqfiicqwWGQTPilnJd1/fFFwQrGh5JZQH gaRw2tuyjx7pBW6uRyFsGOm5nQ32DsPzhOoDi3EMQfu/InxJyzd3/6O138vYuM8BrIjA c/fx8nWxQrDe9khgH4YKIU14chL/0QnljPaVTrxYs3zHZr+l9z06rWi8XDflMEq1WwMX /h9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=Hs/Ye8dnuRjA4w5HfORsm7dhGShgsIa5+vIlO8seaoU=; b=IusSwmIDu/J2dFq3+huIeb6RAMNEGcIRvDRT61Vw6nJS2Hpa+GX2ikV1pkYFudA2P4 90aigp65kcpDWygqoVTmx363Hn9G71cYjB8EdzUsmAL1p79b+e3agseOSkFHaZLG9sY4 in6HeSE0xf2uG4wAP4uz5dxNfN4ZRGSVs4Ii73Q8oM5p7FqTdUxyqrhfWc7STvhLhs40 r2AYETmYvWs7HhrrFsqddPRiGX4Pck8ddWmgWAgDZSYmyQN4sZ+B4YeT0Bbax+aTM20x 7WEplivALUVPnhU5ujs/1mSfRnWjsCEjLYnkTpMJ6zOG5BcQv0nVYEtBvqui5XmKM//H dp/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQwf4oIWs4EiD2J1kwJ3Ue7tzlPRNloGq6BSxg6p5w7xtL7cBSTAJIC8G27ibVNaebaDdS26tzQdgUe/A== X-Received: by 10.107.47.162 with SMTP id v34mr27657732iov.19.1456167842720; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:04:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103355 On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On 2016-02-22, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:17 AM, Jon Ribbens >> wrote: >>> Weeeeeell, I have a lot of sympathy for that point, but on the other >>> hand the whole concept of UUIDs ("import uuid") is predicated on the >>> opposite assumption. >> >> Not quite opposite. Ethan is asserting that you cannot be *certain* >> without actually checking the FS; the point of UUIDs is that you can >> be fairly *confident* that there won't be a collision. There is a >> nonzero probability of accidental collisions, and if an attacker is >> deliberately trying to _force_ a collision, it's most definitely >> possible. So both views are correct. > > I was under the impression that the point of UUIDs is that you can be > *so* confident that there won't be a collision that for all practical > purposes it's indistinguishable from being certain. Maybe, if everyone's cooperating. I'm not sure how they fare in the face of malice though. ChrisA