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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130804 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Using asyncio in event-driven network library References: <52B82385.9080604@tobix.eu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-Sender: tm@tobix.eu X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.8/18280/Tue Dec 24 12:52:26 2013) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387899733 news.xs4all.nl 2952 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33041 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62677 Thanks for your answers! I didn't have the time to test any of your suggestions so far but they already gave me something to think about. At least now I'm much more clearer on what I am actually looking for. On 23.12.2013 20:59, Terry Reedy wrote: > > What would be easiest for user-developers would be if someone were > able to wrap a gui loop in a way to give it the needed interface, so > the gui loop itself replaced and became the asyncio loop. > That's a good idea, maybe I will try this. On the other hand this means that for every gui toolkit there must be a separate wrapper. I hoped this can be avoided. On 23.12.2013 17:47, Chris Angelico wrote: > You may be able to wrap your GUI code up so it fits inside asyncio. > Rather than run a simple event loop, you could have your own loop that > does some kind of checking: PyGTK has functions for peeking at events > and doing just one iteration of the main loop, so you could pump all > events with something like this: > > while gtk.events_pending(): gtk.main_iteration() > > No doubt other toolkits have something similar. On 23.12.2013 20:59, Terry Reedy wrote: > I think tk(inter) has 'run pending events' or something. I didn't know functions like this exist in gui toolkits. Am I right in thinking that using these functions you don't have to use the built-in event loop. Instead you can write your own loop and just call 'run pending events' continuously? I think what I actually want is the other way around. I want my library to be easy to use in existing gui applications that already have their own main loop. Their core should not need to be adapted for this. So I think I should provide a function like 'run pending events' in my api. For example in a PyQt application this could be called periodically by using a QTimer. So I would use asyncio only if my library is used non-interactively with it's internal event loop. Well, maybe I could reuse asyncio's transports and protocols in both situations. I don't know if they depend on asyncio's event loop. Note: I didn't concern myself with all this stuff yet. Just wrote down what came to my mind. If there are any errors in my reasoning please correct me. I will try some approaches after the christmas holidays and get back to you then... Thanks and regards, Tobias