Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'modify': 0.07; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'subject:same': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; '12:57': 0.16; 'flush': 0.16; 'inputs': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'seperate': 0.16; 'specifying': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'file,': 0.19; 'mechanism': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'specify': 0.24; 'options': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'database,': 0.30; 'with,': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'system,': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'conditions.': 0.38; 'jason': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'environment.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'till': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'taking': 0.65; 'close': 0.67; 'cpu,': 0.84; "it'd": 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'received:139': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91; 'race': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Neal Becker Subject: Re: Concurrent writes to the same file Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:58:57 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: exa2-in-fw-01-epn.hns.com User-Agent: KNode/4.10.4 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1373558361 news.xs4all.nl 15877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51847 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50460 Dave Angel wrote: > On 07/11/2013 12:57 AM, Jason Friedman wrote: >> Other than using a database, what are my options for allowing two processes >> to edit the same file at the same time? When I say same time, I can accept >> delays. I considered lock files, but I cannot conceive of how I avoid race >> conditions. >> > > In general, no. That's what a database is for. > > Now, you presumably have some reason to avoid database, but in its stead > you have to specify some other limitations. To start with, what do you > mean by "the same time"? If each process can modify the entire file, > then there's no point in one process reading the file at all until it > has the lock. So the mechanism would be > 1) wait till you can acquire the lock > 2) open the file, read it, modify it, flush and close > 3) release the lock > > To come up with an appropriate lock, it'd be nice to start by specifying > the entire environment. Which Python, which OS? Are the two processes > on the same CPU, what's the file system, and is it locally mounted? > > > > You can use a seperate server process to do file I/O, taking multiple inputs from clients. Like syslogd.