Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.052 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'perceived': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'programmer': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'fairly': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'programmers': 0.30; 'though,': 0.32; 'important.': 0.35; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; '12,': 0.37; 'hiring': 0.37; 'data': 0.39; 'easily': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'saturday,': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'jobs': 0.67; 'increase': 0.73; '_o__)': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'responding.': 0.84; 'them.\xe2\x80\x9d': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:13:06 +1000 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <85mvws6z45.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85io7g6xy4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85egi46wng.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JvOVyAW+PKwlSTwkYZCL7xQwdOo= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442106800 news.xs4all.nl 23769 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96477 Rustom Mody writes: > On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 11:57:01 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > You've clearly committed to some ontology that just doesn't match > > the Python data model. > > How about lay-English ontology in which "point to" and "refer to" are fairly > synonymous? That's important. It's unrelated, though, to the very specific technical programming concepts to which I was responding. -- \ “One bad programmer can easily create two new jobs a year. | `\ Hiring more bad programmers will just increase our perceived | _o__) need for them.” —David Lorge Parnas, 1999-03 | Ben Finney