Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'guido': 0.05; 'remind': 0.05; '(using': 0.07; 'responding': 0.07; 'wednesday,': 0.07; 'answering': 0.09; 'here?': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'mostly': 0.14; 'sections': 0.14; 'buggy': 0.16; 'builtins': 0.16; 'highlight': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:skip:m 10': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'thanks,': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'this?': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'error': 0.23; 'new,': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'tracker': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'url:bugs': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'andrew': 0.30; 'change,': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'core': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'thank': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'changed': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'break': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'decided': 0.64; 'total': 0.65; 'minutes': 0.67; 'behavior': 0.77; "'object'": 0.84; '2015': 0.84; '3.4': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Basic misunderstanding on object creation Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:17:53 -0400 References: <25ba3a96-21ee-4a83-b7c1-8ac60508d30c@googlegroups.com> <624b0ba1-3d8a-44fe-a774-69d2d87e2cd0@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <624b0ba1-3d8a-44fe-a774-69d2d87e2cd0@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431544692 news.xs4all.nl 2917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54688 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90577 On 5/13/2015 2:42 PM, andrew cooke wrote: > On Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:37:23 UTC-3, Terry Reedy wrote: >> On 5/13/2015 9:25 AM, andrew cooke wrote: >> >>> The following code worked on Python 3.2, but no longer works in 3.4. >> >> Bugfixes break code that depends on buggy behavior. See >> https://bugs.python.org/issue1683368 >> Your code also fails in 2.7.9 if you inherit Foo from object. >> The exact error messages changed for 3.4 in >> https://bugs.python.org/issue7963 >> >> > Did something change, >> >> Obviously yes. > > thanks, but why does someone on this group always have to be a dick and make some smart-assed comment like this? To remind people to ask the question they want answered. >> > or have I always been doing something dumb? >> >> You were depending on behavior of object that Guido decided was buggy. >> >> I found the tracker issue by looking for 'object' in the Core and >> Builtins sections of the changelog one can access from What's New, first >> paragraph (using Highlight All in Firefox). I spent 15 minutes digging around to find the answer that no one else gave you, and all your total response is to ignore that, not thank me, and call me a dick? Whose is the dick here? Being punished for answering questions is one reason I have mostly stopped. I will try to remember not to waste time responding to you again. -- Terry Jan Reedy