Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.055 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'referring': 0.07; 'subject: + ': 0.07; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; '23,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'them.)': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'help.': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'post': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'dec': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'along.': 0.31; 'fault': 0.31; 'informative': 0.31; 'post.': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'moment': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'list.': 0.37; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'refer': 0.63; 'worth': 0.66; 'sound': 0.68; 'results': 0.69; 'helping': 0.70; 'gotten': 0.74; 'groups.': 0.74; 'subject:this': 0.83; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'hassle': 0.84; 'careful': 0.91; 'these.': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=16pIKDMv7Itu2Wik0alXB5L8NmNbOa2Jn68luS6QQsw=; b=o9ZqwgJli9ePqJ4LfdHJ9CetggRPYwmGj+vT8GQWPljxieMffl/Srk4OuZWZ3+AXsZ 0g92Bot5DeJVm+R1j50IE7F6afCeHhT7q3WrO2Ki0+PUoSf+zMZpgGaDKKS8fGoVRyeK LRg202go9AdFFsm+LeR8785RusMPwlHIFN1+C+oPtmtYr7M2MHGhk7f7V1cEVLv2chRi dovl/mgdLnVS35K5SYYGy2AO7j0+Uctw9pJ1HW0B63gjuRlIvOkNSJaE9+X2YrHL28LY h9+aLSSepJZ/H6DXxxjPldHVL0jJmYGi5DOD6qfiGlNFOMIk2bsAuqXt0kaeVmnTeFCl SNxg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.66.42 with SMTP id c10mr26671981pat.98.1387815747059; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5a15bd65-8183-48be-8ac2-be0666fed75d@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 03:22:26 +1100 Subject: Re: Google Groups + this list From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387815750 news.xs4all.nl 2935 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62637 On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > I suggest the following: > > 1) Don't fault newcomers for using Google Groups. Politely suggest > alternatives, but only if you are also helping them, or if they have already > gotten help. > > 2) Be careful how you rail against Google Groups. When you call its results > "crap" (for example), it can sound like an insult to the poster. You mean > to refer to Google Groups, but remember you are also referring to the > poster's words. I'm always careful of both of these. When I post alternatives to GG, it's as part of another informative and on-topic post. If GG annoys me but I don't have anything useful to say, I just move right along. (And sometimes even if I do have something useful I could say. Sometimes it's just not worth the hassle of cleaning up someone's misformatted code so I can help them.) > 3) Don't let's get into protracted internal debates about Google Groups. It > is for the moment at least, an unavoidable part of this list. This is where I'm not so good :| ChrisA