Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'remind': 0.05; 'granted,': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'thread': 0.10; 'c++.': 0.16; 'fly': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'windows': 0.20; '2015': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'least': 0.27; '(including': 0.30; 'comments': 0.30; 'language.': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'running': 0.34; 'server': 0.34; 'replaced': 0.35; 'too': 0.36; 'projects.': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'itself': 0.38; 'reports': 0.38; 'skip:p 20': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'software': 0.40; 'entire': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'industry.': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'pro': 0.70; 'money': 0.71; 'military': 0.72; 'coral': 0.84; 'death,': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'recompile': 0.84; 'participants': 0.85; 'aircraft': 0.91; 'dennis': 0.91; 'died': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 23:07:45 +0100 References: <1eee075d-7073-4875-9e42-2e053ee59b41@googlegroups.com> <0784va15gme91mqvoasfub3hvu59ehpepl@4ax.com> <201509102219.14138.gheskett@wdtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.66.69 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442095807 news.xs4all.nl 23859 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48738 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96464 On 12/09/2015 17:24, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 03:35:00 +0100, Mark Lawrence > declaimed the following: > >> >> Ada took over from CORAL in the UK, at least in military projects. It >> was also used in the aircraft industry. My old work mates tell me that >> its completely died a death, to be replaced by C++. Someone please >> remind me never to fly again. > > Still used on some of the boxes being made... (I've just spent a month > investigating problem reports for a software release). > > Granted, that's an Ada 83 cross compiler running on VAX/VMS itself > running on a Windows server box with an emulator. It would cost way too > much money to try to recompile with, say, GNAT Pro -- as the entire suite > (including the compiler) would have to be recertified for airworthiness. > Having seen the comments on this thread I think some of the participants need to be recertified for programmerworthiness. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence