Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 16:09:41 +0000 Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <87d1r6iltx.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de fZaXUN7hfyWzcsWYrYxT5gBShcGqnwGa+aESnhxaSoYA== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'cpython': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'startup': 0.05; 'test,': 0.05; 'start-up': 0.07; 'strings.': 0.07; '0.1': 0.09; 'imported': 0.09; 'imports': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:which': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; '(but': 0.15; 'properly': 0.15; '0.2': 0.16; 'defs': 0.16; 'disk.': 0.16; 'invoking': 0.16; 'longer.': 0.16; 'loops': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'optimised': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'registers.': 0.16; 'seconds,': 0.16; 'seconds.': 0.16; 'work.)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'module,': 0.18; 'python?': 0.18; 'input': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; "aren't": 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'code.': 0.23; 'bit': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'disk': 0.27; 'executing': 0.27; 'strings,': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'compared': 0.30; "i'd": 0.31; 'posting': 0.32; 'generally': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'run': 0.33; 'file': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'faster': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'hundreds': 0.37; 'no,': 0.38; 'skip:z 10': 0.38; "won't": 0.38; 'version': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'test': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'well.': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'course': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'times': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'between': 0.65; 'series': 0.65; '10000': 0.66; 'virtually': 0.66; 'day': 0.67; '100': 0.79; 'fact.': 0.84; 'nonsense.': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'routines': 0.84; 'reducing': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.234.129.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:104337 On 08/03/2016 11:09, BartC wrote: > On 08/03/2016 02:45, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 08/03/2016 01:47, BartC wrote: > >>> The Python timing for that file is around 20 seconds, time enough to >>> read 10000 copies from the disk. >>> >>> And a C program reads /and decodes/ the same file from the same disk in >>> between 0.1 and 0.2 seconds. >>> >> >> So how much of that time is Python startup time, compared to C which is >> effectively zero? > > Virtually zero as well. Nonsense. > > That's if by start-up time you mean how long between invoking Python > with the name of the main module, executing all the imports and defs in > the main and imported modules, until it starts properly executing code. > > In the jpeg test, perhaps 50ms. And it would not depend on the size of > the input since the start-up routines won't know that. How did you obtain that figure? > >> Or are you suggesting that C code is always 100 times >> faster than Python? > > This test is one of those where C can clearly do a good job of reducing > most of it down to a series of tight loops where everything is in > registers. > > But yes, numeric algorithms are generally going to be a magnitude or two > faster in optimised C, compared with CPython executing pure Python code. > > (But I also remember posting a test in comp.lang.c that was faster in > Python than in C. It involved strings and Python had the edge because it > used counted strings. A straightforward C version would use > zero-terminated strings, although it could be speeded up with a bit more > work.) > > > Of course I'd like to see you write C code 100 >> times faster than Python, > > No, it would take longer. But the final result could be run hundreds of > times a day by millions of people. > Which also happens with Python, although I expect that many users aren't aware of that fact. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence