X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 78.192.65.63 Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!nntpfeed.proxad.net!news.muarf.org!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!border2.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; '(except': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.14; 'informally,': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sense,': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; 'abuse': 0.18; 'processor': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'settings': 0.20; 'meant': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; '2015': 0.23; '(you': 0.23; 'sets': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'define': 0.27; 'horizontal': 0.29; 'religion,': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'vertical': 0.29; 'sense': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; '"the': 0.32; 'system,': 0.32; 'anybody': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'advertised': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'surely': 0.33; 'could': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'label': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'being': 0.36; 'list,': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'speak': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mark': 0.40; 'even': 0.61; 'discuss': 0.61; 'skip:u 10': 0.62; 'course': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'between': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'natural': 0.67; 'food': 0.69; 'carefully': 0.76; 'low': 0.83; 'commenting': 0.84; 'divine': 0.84; 'high,': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'belief': 0.91; 'redefining': 0.91; 'religion': 0.91; 'widespread': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Religion [was Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class] Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 07:20:00 +0100 References: <14976c1b-a620-426f-b529-41a3c04e9c1a@googlegroups.com> <7f287dcf-8d52-4ab8-9768-88d1f75da269@googlegroups.com> <74537c3e-7b7e-4418-a14c-557874e6933f@googlegroups.com> <96a55389-5d7a-4593-8e3d-b52e9ff8af87@googlegroups.com> <556d4766$0$12918$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-18-9-195.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <556d4766$0$12918$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433226023 news.xs4all.nl 2857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39664 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91801 On 02/06/2015 07:04, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tuesday 02 June 2015 15:01, Rustom Mody wrote: > >> eg Would it make sense to you if you were told that there are widespread >> religions like Buddhism that are agnostic or Jainism that are strictly >> atheistic? > > No of course it wouldn't make sense. But nothing to do with religion, > spirituality and superstition makes sense, the whole point of them is that > they speak to the emotions, not logic. (You note that I am carefully not > commenting on whether this is a good thing or not.) > > Draw up two sets of overlapping axes, and label the vertical axes > "Agnosticism / Gnosticism" and the horizontal axes "Supernatural / Natural". > Belief systems can be found in all four quadrants. Agnostic religions are > easy, they're just in the Supernatural+Agnostic quadrant. If you define > religion to be merely any belief system, then even an atheist religion is > understandable: it could be anything on the Natural half of the graph. > > Personally, I consider that redefining religion to refer to belief systems > which do not include supernatural divine gods is an abuse of language > (except informally, as in "football is my religion" or "the religious war > between Vi and Emacs users"). it's like the food processor that is > advertised as being a "three speed food-processor" because there are three > settings on the control: High, Low and OFF. > > If anybody wishes to discuss this can they please take it off list, as it surely has no place here when we're meant to be discussing the Python programming langauge. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence