Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.04; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'translation': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; '11:59': 0.16; 'assembled': 0.16; 'brilliant': 0.16; 'formula': 0.16; 'hopper': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'somehow,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'oriented': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'know.': 0.32; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'impression': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'awesome': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'john': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'business': 0.70; 'directed': 0.83; 'ibm,': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Hopper and Backus (was Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:42:33 -0500 References: <52b57c09$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387662169 news.xs4all.nl 2913 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55480 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62514 On 12/21/2013 11:59 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On 21 Dec 2013 11:31:22 GMT, Steven D'Aprano >> I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous, >> awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula >> TRANslation back in the 1950s, > As I recall, Grace Hopper was involved in COmmon Business Oriented > Language. Yes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_hopper Somehow, I had the same impression as Steven. > FORTRAN credit goes to John Backus (the B in BNF notation) He assembled and directed the team (at IBM, it appears). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Backus -- Terry Jan Reedy