Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; ';-)': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'language,': 0.12; '-tkc': 0.16; '6.x': 0.16; '6502': 0.16; 'choice).': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; 'stack': 0.19; 'load': 0.23; 'integer': 0.24; 'pointer': 0.24; 'subject:like': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'instruction': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'went': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'pascal': 0.31; 'guess': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'apple': 0.38; 'version,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'moving': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'major': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'series': 0.66; 'registers': 0.68; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'few.': 0.91 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:43:46 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Why Python is like C++ In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387638502 news.xs4all.nl 2922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60965 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62495 On 2013-12-21 11:19, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > GW-BASIC was a weak language, but two significant characters is > definitely too few. I think it was eight. Never used QuickBasic, I > went Turbo Pascal instead, which had 32 significant characters. In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had the 2-character names, and you had to load Integer Basic (with Ints in addition to the standard Floats used in the BASIC provided by the ROM, a strange choice). So moving to Turbo Pascal (started with a 3.x series version, but 6.x was a major upgrade) gave me more breathing-room and data-types than I know what to do with :-) Then there's the 6502 assembly on that Apple with its 2 user-facing registers (plus the Instruction Pointer and Stack Pointer), so I guess you could say that it has 1-bit variable names ;-) -tkc