Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'here?': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sentence': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'translation': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'brilliant': 0.16; "developers'": 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'formula': 0.16; 'hopper': 0.16; 'nail': 0.16; 'ought': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'respected': 0.16; 'struck': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'mind.': 0.24; 'url:dev': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'dec': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'included': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'developers.': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'know.': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'brian': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'impression': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'awesome': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'browser': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'started.': 0.68; 'cobol': 0.84; 'conservative': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: @property simultaneous setter and getter Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:09:00 +0000 References: <52b57c09$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-30-118.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <52b57c09$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387627760 news.xs4all.nl 2863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55271 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62487 On 21/12/2013 11:31, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote: > >> Is this something that would be pep-able? > > I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous, > awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula > TRANslation back in the 1950s, but my browser has over eighty tabs open > at the moment, give me a reason why I ought to open one more. > I was under the impression that she was more associated with COBOL but never mind. > >> https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774 > > If you aren't willing or able to spend a sentence or three explaining > what your code does, what need it fulfils, and why it ought to be > included in Python, you're going to have real bad time trying to persuade > the hard-nosed, conservative core developers. Trust me, I know what I am > talking about, I am the author of a successful PEP: > > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0450/ > > and that was for something which already had at least two of the most > respected core developers' support before I even started. So before you > go to the effort of writing a PEP, how about you try to justify your > proposal here? > Nail struck firmly on head I reckon. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence