Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.057 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.01; 'syntax': 0.04; 'assignment': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'operator,': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'skip:t 60': 0.09; 'creates': 0.14; 'language.': 0.14; 'subject:question.': 0.16; 'subject:those': 0.16; 'subject: ?': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'asking': 0.27; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; 'went': 0.31; 'pascal': 0.31; 'url:05': 0.31; 'something': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'keyword': 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'url:blogspot': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'subject:. ': 0.67; '20,': 0.68; 'said:': 0.68; 'miss': 0.74; 'spite': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'critics': 0.91; 'procedural': 0.91; 'subject:Are': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=RHPyvd21e5EOmDVbmCGkqKelwYlcdH+CALtBTTG0UEg=; b=UaEjRB9CU31s8SylwHibozksqh8CwtMUCmVgkjifsYD4whXQGbfoaUwhLgZnmybY+j slKipnqnjQyvs1+ywSH9VHrlnbjBbSot2OGsMdJHenXsOFsJVmR0/dJ3iA+9ZheGwnIU LNEn8FvNVBJwC28ODjo7aEgqm+PajgT7GuWts34yzQyAFw+oPH86MP2lhpOeA4PZX+Gb rBhVGjAHsy96uTh8BIDmXKZySQ+8KBOP5WtrTjuqIAOZq+NnJmTW41TfZgmwcXor8z43 taI+n7GWsEeRSoxYESBBg0geLIcPwDznOGusAjXQK8jFFsa8ldyHF+E9yHGOgtST3VRq 3sxQ== X-Received: by 10.66.2.234 with SMTP id 10mr10082069pax.39.1387563860653; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:24:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: Newbie question. Are those different objects ? From: Travis Griggs In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:24:08 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: To: python-list@python.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387563870 news.xs4all.nl 2876 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34969 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62450 On Dec 20, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Mark Lawrence = wrote: > A good point. Shall I write a PEP asking for a language change which = requires that that stupid =3D sign is replaced by a keyword reading = something like = thenameonthelefthandsideisassignedtheobjectontherighthandside ? Or a symbol like :=3D. As a former Smalltalker, I still miss this as the = assignment operator, and the =93gets=94 verbiage that went along with = it. One said: x :=3D 4 as in =93x gets 4=94 I always got a kick out of the following paragraph from = http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.ht= ml. "1970 - Niklaus Wirth creates Pascal, a procedural language. Critics = immediately denounce Pascal because it uses "x :=3D x + y" syntax = instead of the more familiar C-like "x =3D x + y". This criticism = happens in spite of the fact that C has not yet been invented."=