Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'affected': 0.07; 'memory.': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; '1996,': 0.09; 'facts': 0.09; 'spec': 0.09; '1992.': 0.16; '6:56': 0.16; 'drink,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'materially': 0.16; 'ought': 0.16; 'planes': 0.16; 'unicode,': 0.16; 'unicode.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; 'nearly': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'along.': 0.31; 'microsoft,': 0.31; 'ago': 0.33; 'beginning': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'according': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'till': 0.61; 'full': 0.61; 'range': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'jul': 0.74; 'glad': 0.83; 'measure.': 0.84; 'working,': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91; 'old.': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=7B4p1etkRbEBpVyESucLDvGjQqLSW90u1VQeKg5Mcuo=; b=UZLzJaLQTnQImjWTgJOzcKWajyVBEJmnPre4Dj8TOINfmS2gfW9n7JegYrcYhQxiOp c1x9l/G+1AxDvEG6gUCsXoNF64hsN4FNQ6W7rw0MhZoxbl91tKBMVfYYu2GVzo7RfixQ KBiV1klaXaWiiVmqsh8nFhcQXZs30Xc9ljZXjKwUXYnuwIFQeLJIFCuY3JSgU//8ys1/ 2pF4tv9S9lOmyH6OI2i+SE5vqIVbL0A/AnyqHCKWi62Bvkrog91v2Q9VooqE+eocugK8 lpx1oBc3w1VjeFdHoHEaVruK5DAKOTIeDDnCeweUVvwucJ/q47q//UzikJ9EbnTCdj90 iBlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.214.105 with SMTP id nz9mr14834877vec.58.1373323882754; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:51:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7b6fc645-8bf3-4681-821c-38fb1fa1d191@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 08:51:22 +1000 Subject: Re: hex dump w/ or w/out utf-8 chars From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1373323885 news.xs4all.nl 15887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44680 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50183 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Dave Angel wrote: > On 07/08/2013 05:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Dave Angel wrote: >>> >>> But Unicode has nothing to do with Guido, and it has existed for about 25 >>> years (if I recall correctly). >> >> >> Depends how you measure. According to [1], the work kinda began back >> then (25 years ago being 1988), but it wasn't till 1991/92 that the >> spec was published. Also, the full Unicode range with multiple planes >> came about in 1996, with Unicode 2.0, so that could also be considered >> the beginning of Unicode. But that still means it's nearly old enough >> to drink, so programmers ought to be aware of it. >> > > Well, then I'm glad I stuck the qualifier on it. I remember where I was > working, and that company folded in 1992. I was working on NT long before > its official release in 1993, and it used Unicode, even if the spec was > sliding along. I'm sure I got unofficial versions of things through > Microsoft, at the time. No doubt! Of course, this list is good at dealing with the hard facts and making sure the archives are accurate, but that doesn't change your memory. Anyway, your fundamental point isn't materially affected by whether Unicode is 17 or 25 years old. It's been around plenty long enough by now, we should use it. Same with IPv6, too... ChrisA