Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.045 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'prejudice': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'sure)': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'defending': 0.16; 'fellows': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'low- level': 0.16; 'subject:PyPI': 0.16; 'white,': 0.16; 'worse,': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i'm": 0.26; '(and': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'environment.': 0.30; 'harm': 0.30; 'privileges': 0.30; 'idea': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'done': 0.34; 'see,': 0.34; 'ourselves': 0.35; 'subject:with': 0.36; 'received:76': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'despite': 0.38; 'being': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'hope': 0.61; 'more': 0.61; 'effective': 0.61; 'house': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'received:websitewelcome.com': 0.64; 'act': 0.65; 'making': 0.67; 'received:184': 0.67; 'woman': 0.84; 'atmosphere': 0.84; 'received:67.18.68': 0.84; 'received:gateway15.websitewelcome.com': 0.84; 'hostile': 0.91; 'luxury': 0.91; 'pervasive': 0.91; 'joke,': 0.93 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:34:28 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Spamming PyPI with stupid packages References: <87hb0d28j8.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <87aa6522au.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <4f02ba8d$0$29880$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8762gs1mag.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <4f03ad75$0$11122$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <878vloz0zi.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <4f03b3b6$0$11122$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <87pqf0b33c.fsf@benfinney.id.au> In-Reply-To: <87pqf0b33c.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: c-76-105-214-227.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([192.168.74.5]) [76.105.214.227]:2124 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1325651673 news.xs4all.nl 6858 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:18488 Ben Finney wrote: > I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do > know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and > English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the > luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere > of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people. > We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never > needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male > field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and > easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows > which is perpetuating a hostile environment. > I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been > retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse, > defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I > hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act > to clean up our house more. +1 ~Ethan~