Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.060 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'made,': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'flame': 0.84; 'line!': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'mistakes': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=AW1T3itqBxz2UuIzmX7+vJo/3/Ysh3qykNWyiiPXE4U=; b=v99JiRjZjYy03N8LqZibB5qtoF/NKbbz+xfpnV3S2zSRmGDWFgNCywjPHTvqP1Iu/c iUpoXeL6rpphvQnUeU4tLPz2y908H/CHnDKxsQ81Ak/RZmYTWd2AfZVjCj6YnroQgheU tK7Yczw+hWW/QChhPPduA3+D+PY6lz3NfPyxhmttJrveT/kRSAWrMS6SBkvU38bg3pFf a1gV15OCuXUFYhaml34Kwemw18x9NgI0VUCzke1AZL1Vu4I4GHsiHcQHJoEh3rLc+smo VPPtHqlTV6K8D3QlG4AIEzUiWZvB3M0t1FqpleGl8E27qBrndL+eoi9Qofu4/XXUEZnk hB3w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.245.4 with SMTP id xk4mr5287345pbc.153.1387414453600; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:54:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20131212213602.806ef8fd2626ca6f34bc83d6@gmx.net> <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a191@gmx.net> <20131217165144.39bf9ba1cd4e4f27a96893ca@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:54:12 +1100 Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387414456 news.xs4all.nl 2897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46548 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62352 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Rhodri James wrote: > It's sounds like you made, and are carrying on making, one of the classic > mistakes of software engineering Never get into a flame war in Asia, and never go up against a C programmer when segfaults are on the line! ChrisA