Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'ide': 0.05; 'subject:editor': 0.05; ':-)': 0.07; 'eclipse': 0.09; 'frankly': 0.09; 'sites.': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'configure': 0.11; 'received:74.125.82.44': 0.14; 'received:mail-ww0-f44.google.com': 0.14; 'emacs': 0.16; 'ive': 0.16; 'seconds,': 0.16; 'subject:IDE': 0.16; 'sucks': 0.16; 'switching': 0.16; 'java,': 0.20; 'writes:': 0.20; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'language': 0.20; '(or': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'badly': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.22; 'sometimes,': 0.23; "didn't": 0.25; 'equivalent': 0.26; "i'm": 0.26; 'tried': 0.27; 'problem': 0.29; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.30; 'up.': 0.30; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'does': 0.31; 'it.': 0.31; "can't": 0.31; 'sometimes': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'surely': 0.35; 'subject:/': 0.36; 'think': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'help': 0.39; 'set': 0.39; 'where': 0.39; 'received:de': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'takes': 0.40; 'subject:text': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'learn': 0.60; 'taking': 0.61; 'back': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'human': 0.64; 'day': 0.66; 'stand': 0.71; 'competition': 0.78; 'cute': 0.84; 'forever': 0.84; 'spine': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:date:message-id:cc:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=JsshTn5TrxDAbiZ42CEZ6xSt+jHWCk1fWasRMvg3jS0=; b=Yhh1MSXN9PkDkDfnAtJNsqI5VrB+cn8Ne8dPuMZ0K4V/0u3jeExJrmKjKn0jyrTXeS GR1vRu6oYc/QdiiHHXB8UB5xJOQl2k3XA3JHWwB2VEubcUQJsmR2LRfM0+NjXItSkjvd S3KSBQysbelBMv1YNw2ZpPoiduwoxVrmKFRq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :cc:to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=if9fc9AfE8HH4KViyzoL+LIRweRFyi4ZdnsxTGu15dr2ev4hfLMQ8XPKYPSap3cBCY QZKlXg7tshOm822uoLAEm8ChnSaw4poCa4uc0vQjUWuTgSMqvo8F1J10d6xBqUSNSgLZ RdoSTZxwfA0p6blWtHD/dRBKxKAbKyxlCKDq0= From: Andrea Crotti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Python IDE/text-editor Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:07:20 +0200 To: rustompmody@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302973645 news.xs4all.nl 81483 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:45303 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3340 rusi writes: > > It takes a day or two to learn emacs. > > It takes forever to set it up. > > [How many shots of cocaine are are needed to de-addict a cocaine > addict? ] Not to set it up, but surely to master it. There are also many people that didn't really learn elisp but still use emacs taking configuration code from emacswiki or equivalent sites. > :-) > > You are being cute and tart. > > But the problem is real: > 1. emacs can do everything > 2. It does everything badly > 3. All the competition does it worse > > Frankly Ive thought many times of switching to eclipse but the first > few screens send a chill (or something such) down my spine and I limp > back unhappily to emacs... Why does it do it badly? You just have to configure it better if you think it does something badly ;) I also sometimes tried eclipse sometimes, but can't stand it for more than 4 seconds, and I'm very happy to go back to emacs. The only language where an IDE like eclipse imho is the only way is java, but that is because the language sucks so much that without a massive help is impossible to write something in a human time.