Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.04; 'context': 0.04; 'definitions': 0.07; 'received:verizon.net': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'typed': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'declarations': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'stating': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.10; 'typing': 0.15; 'boils': 0.16; 'c++.': 0.16; 'ignores': 0.16; 'objects?': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'what?': 0.16; 'subject:question': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'jan': 0.19; "haven't": 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'statement': 0.23; 'static': 0.24; 'guess': 0.26; 'specifically': 0.27; 'problem': 0.29; 'pm,': 0.29; 'example': 0.29; 'definition': 0.30; 'confused': 0.30; 'context,': 0.30; 'words,': 0.32; 'actual': 0.32; 'objects': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'it.': 0.34; 'question': 0.36; 'subject:skip:p 10': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'could': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'hold': 0.38; 'strong': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'might': 0.40; 'type': 0.61; 'claim': 0.76; 'continued': 0.80; 'opinion.': 0.84; 'preclude': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: python philosophical question - strong vs duck typing Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:42:47 -0500 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-74-109-121-73.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1325626995 news.xs4all.nl 6901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52010 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:18455 On 1/3/2012 4:06 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: >> Python objects are strongly typed, in any sensible meaning of the term. > > There are people that hold definitions of strong typing that preclude > Python. Those people think their definition is reasonable, but at the Can you give an actual example of such a definition of 'strongly typed object' that excludes Python objects? > same time haven't confused static typing with strong typing. I guess > the problem is that this boils down to opinion, but you're stating it > as incontrovertible fact. This strikes me as petty hair-splitting. 1. By tacking on the qualification, I was acknowledging that someone, somewhere, might controvert it. If you allow for arbitrary redefinitions of words, you could claim that any statement is an opinion. So what? 2. It ignores the context established by the OP who began with 'Let's say we wanted to type strongly in Python' and continued with a question about declarations and compilation specifically to C or C++. In that context, I think my statement qualifies as a fact. -- Terry Jan Reedy