Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'url:pycon': 0.08; 'creighton': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'pointer,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'fairly': 0.22; 'recognize': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'sat,': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; '-0700,': 0.29; 'finds': 0.29; 'books': 0.30; 'url:python': 0.33; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.34; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; '12,': 0.37; 'names': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'saturday,': 0.63; 'to,': 0.63; 'pictures': 0.75; 'received:89': 0.80; '>how': 0.84; 'tell)': 0.84; 'url:2007': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'favour': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Akira Li <4kir4.1i@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 20:54:33 +0300 References: <14afe27e-0bd5-410f-8e64-0f31d496ebf2@googlegroups.com> <55F36B4C.9020007@gmail.com> <1442016698.95299.381478313.2487CA0E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <85mvws6z45.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85io7g6xy4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85egi46wng.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.169.229.68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bKjh5O2PkxpMINRAlnLTGxyX2yo= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442080562 news.xs4all.nl 23764 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53803 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96443 Rustom Mody writes: > On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 8:11:49 PM UTC+5:30, Laura Creighton wrote: >> In a message of Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:46:35 -0700, Rustom Mody writes: >> >How about lay-English ontology in which "point to" and "refer to" are fairly >> >synonymous? >> >> This I have found is important in teaching, which is why I favour 'bind' >> and 'binding' -- rather than pointer, pointer, refer to, referring. > > Well we can play humpty dumpty and make any word mean whatever we like. > However if you are a teacher you will recognize a need for pictures. > And (as far as I can tell) "Random832" finds a need for the box-n-arrow > diagrams of classic data-structure books Speaking of pictures and names in Python http://python.net/~goodger/projects/pycon/2007/idiomatic/handout.html#other-languages-have-variables