Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: The Cost of Dynamism (was Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:47:07 +1100 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <56e44258$0$1598$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8737rvxs89.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <56e7483d$0$1608$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <56ef9787$0$1516$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de oxhktbbNryf1gJjEbW6iygxB+FGsnXp10kRJw7aS+xiA== Cancel-Lock: sha1:NhWIMOiDG8XEQuirkHoiGDCpllY= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.020 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'alter': 0.09; 'facts': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:which': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'assume': 0.11; 'python.': 0.11; '2016': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:?)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'code.': 0.23; 'demonstrate': 0.23; "python's": 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'everyone': 0.31; 'continuing': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'doubt': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'wishes,': 0.33; "i'll": 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'asking': 0.35; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'subject:The': 0.61; 'show': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; 'above,': 0.63; 'please,': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'march': 0.64; 'benefit': 0.66; 'elsewhere': 0.66; '_o__)': 0.84; 'assertion.': 0.84; 'claims.': 0.84; 'gains': 0.84; 'idiomatic': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'faith': 0.91; 'acknowledge': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:105345 Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Monday 21 March 2016 13:11, Ben Finney wrote: > > Please, stop making assertions about Python code until you have > > learned Python. > > I don't see how "I don't have a clue about exceptions" is an assertion > about Python code. That's not the assertion. I'm asking Bart to acknowledge that, because of the ignorance he admits to above, he should not be making elsewhere the sky-is-falling assertions about Python's failings. > I'll ask everyone to please give Bart the benefit of the doubt and > assume good faith. Bart is continuing to demonstrate *bad* faith by showing un-idiomatic Python code in support of his claims about how bad Python is, while simultaneously being confessedly ignorant about idiomatic Python. Bart can show good faith by *learning* idiomatic Python, with the humility of a beginner. And also by refraining from rhetoric about how bad Python's performance is, until he gains experience to make those claims. -- \ “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our | `\ inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter | _o__) the state of facts and evidence.” —John Adams, 1770-12-04 | Ben Finney