Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.509 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.26; '*S*': 0.28; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'nightmare.': 0.16; 'nostalgia': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'satisfying': 0.24; 'visible': 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'lightning': 0.31; 'men': 0.31; 'url:non- standard http port': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'received:66': 0.35; 'december': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'edge': 0.36; 'application': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'dangerous': 0.60; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'frank': 0.68; 'million': 0.74; 'received:204': 0.75; 'saw': 0.77; 'hand': 0.80; 'bow': 0.84; 'citizens.': 0.84; 'fill,': 0.84; 'jig': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.85; 'boxes': 0.91; 'cutting': 0.91; 'rick': 0.93; 'hands': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: + From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:27:35 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 20:57:47 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387310269 news.xs4all.nl 2880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59363 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62235 On Tuesday 17 December 2013 12:23:28 Cousin Stanley did opine: > >> Rick Johnson wrote: > >> Dovetails are nothing more than sadistic nostalgia -- > >> they give old men a "chubby" and young men a nightmare. > > > > There is nothing more satisfying than cutting a set of dovetails by > > hand and having them glide together like silk, the first time you > > test-fit them, with no daylight visible anywhere. > > This dove-tailer understands Rapid Application Development .... > > http://woodwork.ars-informatica.ca/tool.php?art=dovetail_video > Frank Klausz's three-minute dovetails using a bow saw Frank is a Master, and too many people never really learn to use a bow saw. However I'd expect that joint would take more glue to fill, I've had a single drop of TB-III extrude from every edge of one of my jig made joints. But, I really think we are just a tad off topic. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page UNIX is hot. It's more than hot. It's steaming. It's quicksilver lightning with a laserbeam kicker. -- Michael Jay Tucker A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens.