Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'assignment': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; '11:59': 0.16; 'assignments': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'java,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'larry': 0.31; 'but': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'university': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'exchange': 0.63; 'fee': 0.63; 'offering': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'undergrad': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85; 'edwards': 0.91; 'taught': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:24:32 +0000 References: <20131212213602.806ef8fd2626ca6f34bc83d6@gmx.net> <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a191@gmx.net> <20131217165144.39bf9ba1cd4e4f27a96893ca@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-168-13.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387301087 news.xs4all.nl 2970 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56015 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62218 On 17/12/2013 17:18, Larry Martell wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2013-12-17, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >> >>>> I was also taught C as an undergrad but having already learned Java, C >>>> and C++ before arriving at University I found the C course very easy >>>> so my own experience is not representative. Many of the other students >>>> at that time found the course too hard and just cheated on all the >>>> assignments (I remember one students offering to fix/finish anyone's >>>> assignment in exchange for a bottle of cider!). > > I did that, but my fee was a case of beer. > Pay bottle get monkey? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence