Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'languages.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'earlier': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'bugs': 0.33; 'skip:u 20': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'field': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'six': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'quality': 0.72; 'article': 0.77; 'thing...': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:07:47 +0000 References: <20131212213602.806ef8fd2626ca6f34bc83d6@gmx.net> <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a191@gmx.net> <52afb7e7$0$29976$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-168-13.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387292888 news.xs4all.nl 2952 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52425 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62201 On 17/12/2013 14:54, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Neil Cerutti wrote: > >> On 2013-12-17, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> I would really like to see good quality statistics about bugs >>> per program written in different languages. I expect that, for >>> all we like to make fun of COBOL, it probably has few bugs per >>> unit-of-useful-work-done than the equivalent written in C. > > Well, there was that little Y2K thing... > Design assumption made 30 to 40 years earlier "It'll only have to be in the field for six months" :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence