Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'ascii': 0.09; 'assuming': 0.09; 'buttons': 0.09; 'default.': 0.09; 'measure': 0.09; 'pixel': 0.09; 'pixels': 0.09; 'preferable': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'screen.': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'systems.': 0.12; 'assume': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'command-line': 0.16; 'displayed.': 0.16; 'experiment.': 0.16; 'fancy': 0.16; 'public,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:Tkinter': 0.16; 'unicode)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'possible,': 0.19; 'skip:f 30': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'select': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'case.': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'label': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; "skip:' 10": 0.31; 'default,': 0.31; 'font': 0.31; 'work:': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'know.': 0.32; 'option': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'display': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'marks': 0.36; 'revert': 0.36; 'sequence': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'ahead': 0.38; 'question,': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'length': 0.61; 'skip:t 30': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'covers': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'fonts': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'graphical': 0.91; 'labels.': 0.93; 'subject:available': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Determining whether a glyph is available in Tkinter Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:58:06 -0500 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387252699 news.xs4all.nl 2860 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62143 On 12/16/2013 6:59 PM, wmcbrine@gmail.com wrote: > I'm not going to control the font. Tk widgets that display text must use *some* font. If you do not select one, then you get the system-dependent default. for k, v in tk.Text().configure().items(): print(k, v) ... font ('font', 'font', 'Font', , 'TkFixedFont') TkTextFont may be preferable for your purposes, although on Windows both might be Courier New. > This is for a program that's > distributed to the general public, for use on a wide variety of > systems. But what I do in the current version is to use the ASCII > label strings by default, and have a command-line option to select > the "graphical" (non-ASCII Unicode) labels. What I want is to make > the graphical labels the default, and have the program detect, at > runtime, whether any of the glyphs used in the fancy labels would > render as "\uNNNN" in whatever the default font for the buttons is, > and automatically revert to the ASCII labels in that case. I would not assume that the default covers more than ascii. But to answer your question, this might work: fonts have a measure() method that returns what the pixel length of a string would be if it were to be displayed. >>> import tkinter.font as tkf >>> ft=tkf.Font(font='TkFixedFont') >>> ft.metrics() {'ascent': 17, 'descent': 5, 'fixed': 1, 'linespace': 22} >>> ft.measure('a') 12 >>> ft.measure('\u9fff') 12 *If* the measure is, say, 50 or more for a character that would display as \uNNNN, then you would know. Go ahead and experiment. > I'm assuming this is possible, because Tkinter itself seems to know > which glyphs are unavailable, or they'd probably be showing up as > those boxed number characters or question marks instead of "\uNNNN". I do not know whether it is tk itself or a system graphics call that translates a sequence of codes to pixels on the screen. -- Terry Jan Reedy