Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!nntp.spacedump.net!usenetcore.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.090 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.82; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'feature.': 0.09; 'fixed,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'accepting': 0.14; 'paradigms': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'version.': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'evolving': 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'developers': 0.25; 'define': 0.26; 'push': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'needed.': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'software,': 0.31; 'towards': 0.31; '-0700,': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'received:192.168.1.3': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'becomes': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'older': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'much.': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'moving': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'eventually': 0.60; 'problems.': 0.60; 'solve': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'mar': 0.68; 'production': 0.68; 'prime': 0.74; '1:00': 0.84; '2015': 0.84; '2015.': 0.91; 'discovering': 0.91; 'constitute': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=VlOlSYQk/nNzumw8Os+SzJ3m+LVHVZIYX4rLIGMa9oI=; b=UM0P28khMzsBjVo/bNQNDk2AjThNkaE+G6qGlRPbFZXPio5f3ODkzrnpoCly21xLxh DdqGS45h8KxEB0NLYUXT+e8+NWfydjDNF7pYhYmSVNd8mFDlIoxKogekLryp5+ZYA4YR kMXUHfUYgr/n6ttiU1fu5BHIbQ8DIGCxS9d0Ib89RFgzshjO3/qIQGi+52ZSimHrs118 uBlmiV5XgyTya92ncDGCuvUdG5Du1GBxit2XxfGKKJxmIoHvTu+ty4wVtNhkm0/cYPIu bwjbGF8XeDozTlGHxJi+PxRLyB6EYUfadh8XCbctaiH1oTBxTv8R45e2Ybgc7rNTsfNS J6gA== X-Received: by 10.70.130.37 with SMTP id ob5mr85320764pdb.54.1426463598161; Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) Subject: Re: Python 2 to 3 conversion - embrace the pain From: Kishan Thobhani In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 05:23:14 +0530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <550351BF.5020108@animats.com> <87vbi4ovp1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> To: python-list@python.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:25:47 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426494348 news.xs4all.nl 2962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55389 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87529 I believe we push towards accepting new paradigms like python 3. If bugs = were found on libraries used in older context were probably because = there wasn't a need of particular feature. & that is how eventually a = software becomes a legacy. There are times when we might want to re-use = this library or legacy software, then it make sense to solve the bug as = well as port it to new version. Timeline for anything build on = top-of-any-language doesn't necessarily have to cope up with evolving = language unless needed. =20 > On 16-Mar-2015, at 4:53 am, Mario Figueiredo wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 12:05:21 -0700, John Nagle > wrote: >=20 >> On 3/14/2015 1:00 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>=20 >> Some of the bugs I listed are so easy to hit that I suspect those >> packages aren't used much. Those bugs should have been found years >> ago. Fixed, even. I shouldn't be discovering them in 2015. >>=20 >> I appreciate all the effort put in by developers in fixing these >> problems. Python 3 is still a long way from being ready for prime >> time, though. >>=20 >=20 > What do you mean a long way? Is this a scaremongering tactic? Some > little FUD to poison the minds of anyone thinking moving to Python 3? > Or you just chose your words poorly? >=20 > Because 3rd-party packages don't define whether the language is ready > for production or not and the bugs you found on the standard library > shouldn't be much different from other bugs found onPython 2 during > Python 2 prime time. >=20 > What makes you think your anedoctal bugs constitute any sort of > evidence this programming language isn't ready to be used by the > public? >=20 > --=20 > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list