Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'terms,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'expressions,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'mine.': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'manual': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'handle': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'heard': 0.39; 'watching': 0.68; 'cow': 0.84; 'heh.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92; 'average': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=dL5Tx1gR4mVmnA5s0wSc2DWe2sltN90xST3dZ3DGnZ8=; b=wXi+NjexOOYoZe0HczzboLgXbGRARbUDAzyRbLQc7K4/fksFQLnKTywHImbn6ODHbT GZclrQ5apYC9abCAxnulpKdKM+VhjAX0vLBaNB28ZtxKJuuY0uyx50Vk7s+S+CgjvmQG uR5ueR4i5I9OGTOLGQ+82QBlc7j860elV09eV7wbattrWLqfYzW5QWLDgKNZjPHpv4kQ ifkaLSaLhbXk0UWYvpzbfj37o6Vo8oCEv2oKlMcsGWwnE/A0bQEc3vf9vo17b9s47k5A bV6urO3BUY3f+Im69XMm49f6OzrqXVi2FLJP3SGsxD1kJeckisna3Oj7Jp19T8qllKiH 50Yg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.66.234 with SMTP id i10mr23586272pat.127.1387243638889; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:27:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <889721b4-a980-4205-9b1d-a1bedadd7eb3@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:27:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387243643 news.xs4all.nl 2852 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39988 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62128 On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > I suspect that your manual skills are rather better than mine. One of my > favourite expressions, perhaps because I only ever heard my dad use it, is > "like watching a cow handle a shotgun". Heh. In D&D terms, I think that would be a DEX of 5 or 6. The average for humans is 10-11, the average for adventurers is 12-13. ChrisA