Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '*not*': 0.07; 'c++,': 0.07; 'javascript,': 0.07; 'imho.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; "microsoft's": 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'java,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'received:comcast.net': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; "i've": 0.25; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'remotely': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'like,': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'experience,': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'heard': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'such': 0.63; 'products.': 0.72 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Batchelder Subject: Re: Experiences/guidance on teaching Python as a first programming language Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 19:28:12 -0500 References: <20131212213602.806ef8fd2626ca6f34bc83d6@gmx.net> <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a191@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-50-133-228-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a191@gmx.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1387240110 news.xs4all.nl 2870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33603 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:62120 On 12/16/13 3:32 PM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >>> And ever after that experience, I avoided all languages that were >>> even remotely similar to C, such as C++, Java, C#, Javascript, PHP >>> etc. >> >> I think that's disappointing, for two reasons. Firstly, C syntax isn't >> that terrible. > > It's not just the abysmally appalling, hideously horrifying syntax. At > about everything about C is just *not* "made for human beings" imho. I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax do you like, out of curiosity? > > It's just an un-language that gets at about everything wrong. Sort of > like Microsoft's products. > > Sincerely, > > Wolfgang > -- Ned Batchelder, http://nedbatchelder.com