Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; '*is*': 0.09; '8bit%:30': 0.09; "people's": 0.09; 'statements': 0.09; 'subject:extra': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'advocating': 0.16; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'character.': 0.16; 'defended': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'needless': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'stupid,': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'turn,': 0.16; 'unhelpful': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'first.': 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '"you': 0.24; 'example.': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'comments': 0.31; 'second,': 0.31; 'community': 0.33; 'whom': 0.33; '(e.g.': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'position.': 0.33; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'reality': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'actions': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; "you've": 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'stand': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'levels': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'behavior': 0.77; 'to:addr:yahoo.com': 0.81; 'actions.': 0.84; 'difference.': 0.84; 'posters,': 0.84; 'subject:space': 0.84; '8bit%:33': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iIci0+St3Q2nVDN9zhwAAOySI0QNX4PY6JxOU95Fcvk=; b=qiNs7TM/emiqlrVHDPFrQ/Bbk2tR9JO1Kvd5x9FoC0gwl5O0GWUk9Y5m47ibaOrJAG jLQal3yqJH399/rPqxKvgrLwkhawf2OnPyEavvL5hJbgRGe8O+GxzwEJ7BxojjEYFFwp CjSW+51+2VVtltysfCLGLcgHJvtaeoUXGeF0UFdf7QkDUrvvIEXa8y8RRMSDwJKXfeFZ YsYY/HxNFOL6zOiiv+OCIawQT0p4z23IQP6jIeAv4cLgyWyuA+wyWp2VfuVZgNFrrb8m B8j1w6xX0NkQBMpIY7FBDjdcxYS94y/wxWWriRWH5CfdR1FS+o4MPi+35u/whnJMeO37 l/GQ== X-Received: by 10.112.52.97 with SMTP id s1mr2263475lbo.8.1372893191306; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 16:13:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <72d35bd5-7048-4b8a-8a50-229a54703f05@googlegroups.com> References: <51d17954$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51d1a173$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51D1D484.5070309@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D27FB9.7040406@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D2C113.6070105@rece.vub.ac.be> <7wsizwh9r9.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <72d35bd5-7048-4b8a-8a50-229a54703f05@googlegroups.com> From: Joshua Landau Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:12:30 +0100 Subject: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list To: rurpy@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372893192 news.xs4all.nl 15951 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45260 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49785 On 3 July 2013 02:21, wrote: > On 07/02/2013 05:18 PM, Joshua Landau wrote: >> On 2 July 2013 23:34, Ben Finney wrote: >>[...] >>> Needless to say, I disagree with your position. There is no place for >>> baseless insults in this community; but when the behaviour of someone i= n >>> this community is harmful, then it is entirely appropriate to use clear >>> terms (e.g. =E2=80=9Cincompetent=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cinconsiderate=E2=80= =9D) to describe their behaviour. >> >> Firstly, describing someone's behaviour and describing someone's >> character are two completely different things. The second is far more >> judgemental and unhelpful than the first. Antoon is describing >> people's character. You are talking about describing their actions. > > In practice there is often little difference. "You are acting > like an asshole" could be defended as describing a behavior > and "you are rude" as describing a character (rude by nature). "You are acting like an asshole" *is* describing someone's behaviour. "You are an asshole" is the equivalent describing their character. In turn, "You are rude" *is* describing their character. However, I said the "second is far more judgemental and unhelpful than the first". I stand by that, but don't take that to mean that comments on people's behaviour cannot be insulting of derogatory, nor that comments on character have to be insulting. Calling someone rude may be worse than saying that they are acting rude, but it is not unjust if they have been rude, for example. > The reality is that few of the people at whom such statements > are aimed will make such fine distinction. If you use negatively > judgemental statements against other posters, a significant > number of them will respond to you in kind. I think most people will take "you are stupid" and "what you've done is stupid" to have very different levels of hostility, even though the same thing to be said has been expressed. That does not mean people will not take offense at the second, but they will take less. I believe that this does generalise. Note that I am not advocating calling people's actions stupid, as it is still just a harsher way of saying "you've made a mistake".