Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'third-party': 0.04; 'scipy': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'desirable.': 0.07; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'users,': 0.07; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:module': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'feasible': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'rationale': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:Adding': 0.16; 'url:faq': 0.16; 'install': 0.23; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'large,': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'generally': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:new': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'whom': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'executing': 0.36; 'installing': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'more': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'feeling': 0.68; 'battery': 0.84; 'here...': 0.84; 'died': 0.91; 'medicine,': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: PEP 450 Adding a statistics module to Python Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:05:06 +1000 References: <520592f9$0$30000$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+W4kE7lMHWOsVoqrvhTy6u7XbTw= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1376111120 news.xs4all.nl 15974 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52323 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:52296 Skip Montanaro writes: > Given that installing numpy or scipy is generally no more difficult > that executing "pip install (scipy|numpy)" I'm not really feeling the > need for a battery here... NumPy and SciPy are not available for many Python users, including those using a Python implementation for which there is no Numpy support and those for whom large, dependency-heavy third-party packages are too much burden. See the Rationale of PEP 450 for more reasons why “install NumPy” is not a feasible solution for many use cases, and why having ‘statistics’ as a pure-Python, standard-library package is desirable. -- \ “Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I | `\ guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis.” —Jack Handey | _o__) | Ben Finney