Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'blocks': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'handling,': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'rent': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'servers),': 0.16; 'subject:reports': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'australian': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'examples': 0.20; 'later': 0.20; 'meant': 0.20; 'work,': 0.20; 'separate': 0.22; "haven't": 0.24; '(or': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'hosting': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'moved': 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'obscure': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'surely': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'full': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'companies': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'offer': 0.62; 'high': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'stand': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'smith': 0.68; 'internet': 0.71; 'industry': 0.73; 'jul': 0.74; 'walk': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'flame': 0.84; 'severe': 0.91; 'suffering': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ufrUKAubKRCfnpehMExLZwBZGcG1ald5PZ1YXI6zn5o=; b=Kw7I/qc8+dcy4pTc4n5bnBPanACVdyzEEoXpJoo1Pkj+pfF9WFT7t3DuOb5gE/Uim5 BaTgdRQrWUA1TVVqjoBl9ASiYP1gfnv6QRYXmUqDY5G7uKT8ERbfY+aAomzBB4O/1iPD 47hGm8GQD9hl0EqdPedIrDC9EeYOheJD1e+DmaflSlUXJwAQDWKD8mBavQ3y2bYNAb/q X8Y9NmJ2Q2AOlrUPbs3A/LZgLTAkuD3uRmTWnli//6TuDPLIxCiPQpu+CIBzGnRU2m1c 0I7+8NrjIwFNB0XQ3g7PIEdyj3QKJjJ9JabcW/+k//dZzNDuwhryBvYTJVeXNWrM1+WW 4wBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.120.77 with SMTP id la13mr342526vdb.23.1372863136811; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51d375de$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:52:16 +1000 Subject: Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct] From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372863145 news.xs4all.nl 15926 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34676 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49746 On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote: >> > In article , >> > Chris Angelico wrote: >> > >> >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python >> >> might be in some of its more obscure modules, or maybe in IPv6 >> >> handling, >> > >> > The sad thing about this statement is that IPv6 has been around for >> > about as long as Python. >> >> Yeah, and yet so many ISPs simply don't support it (only one of the >> Australian ISPs I've worked with does - Internode). > > My comment was not meant as a flame against Python, but as a flame > against the whole frigging Internet industry for dragging their feet(*) > on IPv6 rollout. > > (*) It is difficult to walk with any gait other than foot-dragging when > you are suffering from a severe case of cranio-rectal inversion. Right. My examples of dark corners were non-specific too; I haven't actually found any such corners in Python as I don't use it enough. It's high time the world moved to IPv6 wholesale. Start leaning on your ISPs to offer /64s (or /56s as Internode give) to all their customers. Sooner or later they'll have to make it a priority. IPv4 depletion was back in early 2011 - that's two years since IANA gave out the last blocks to the RIRs. Surely that means something? At work, we took a stand on this, for what it's worth. We rent dedicated servers from a number of hosting companies (giving us geographically and topologically separate servers), and will not work with anyone who doesn't give IPv6 as well as IPv4 addressing. But since we currently put less than $100/month into servers, that's not much of a stand :) ChrisA