Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway.': 0.05; 'remind': 0.05; 'root': 0.05; 'true,': 0.05; 'context': 0.07; 'false.': 0.09; 'subject:extra': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'url:archive': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'random': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; '(do': 0.16; 'accepts': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'guessing': 0.16; 'implies': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'question': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'on,': 0.29; '[1]': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'passwords': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'continued': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'employment': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'face': 0.64; 'situation': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'side': 0.67; 'jobs': 0.68; 'money': 0.72; 'jul': 0.74; 'asshole': 0.84; "customers'": 0.84; 'fired': 0.84; 'fired,': 0.84; 'moves': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'subject:space': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.85; 'control;': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dsT2eDE87+mEwNmLl5kBQ/xOSmpfLHalFvJUpIe2fEs=; b=MNxiJzTPVlMmN4nACEUvmg+tAGvwFJ8eUdhqqI1pKHGTVojyNW7GWzcJp45owEFhl1 tWmdrMwkD7VokFIww3QIsEPW9TbwRASLEKq7TIvcZ5xg0dtGhzq3dRRrWcFOS3/Kd+pA n9VqJos8SxeE1iSSOGW9Jzrv/xD1buImFyds0Yziyva4J4ouE9QN/doMkV7vBxJSoQtO mKpMHN0LIH0s3lRoM7b5pOoAQadUFX1ZGtRJ+BwZnuxIPEpUX/yDHz07mgIsLq7h561d 9hJWY6Ly9c/pqkOxCeSz5QU1b0MqBZPahRFYoTzZt9BUL/YWruOswbV+8gQUzNi0dzM4 lmUQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.249.236 with SMTP id yx12mr387823vec.25.1372862220813; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01597ae1-cad3-4ed0-85ca-857b7eb2f3df@googlegroups.com> References: <51d17954$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51d1a173$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51D1D484.5070309@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D27FB9.7040406@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D2C113.6070105@rece.vub.ac.be> <1264cfb9-f451-40e3-9d59-0619547c8138@googlegroups.com> <51D3ED24.9030202@rece.vub.ac.be> <01597ae1-cad3-4ed0-85ca-857b7eb2f3df@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:37:00 +1000 Subject: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372862580 news.xs4all.nl 15878 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55914 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49744 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> If my boss gave a random stranger from a mailing list the root >> password to one of our servers, I would say to his face that he had >> betrayed his (our) customers' trust. I would say it with strong >> emphasis and a raised tone, too, and no small heat. The words you >> quote above are perfectly factual and, in my opinion, business-like >> language. >> >> ChrisA > > But the real question of course is, would your boss see it that way? > Maybe your boss would, but talking about a random boss, I wouldn't > bet any money on it. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:31 PM, rusi wrote: > I am guessing Chris (do correct me if wrong) that you are making a theoretical/hypothetical statement. I guess your boss is not an asshole in matters of things like passwords so you are making a vacuous statement. > > [For those not familiar with the terminology: "A implies B is vacuously true, if A is 'grounded' to false. Then B can be anything wild] > > Speaking as one who has had to change jobs because of impossible bosses... Speaking about my current boss, rusi's right that the situation will never come up. He errs on the side of paranoia, not sloppiness. (And before I criticize him for the paranoia, I remind myself of this[1] PHDComics strip.) But if I had a boss who actually did that, then I would say my piece, and then my continued employment would depend on how he took it. If he accepts the criticism and moves on, then we look to damage control; if not, then I look to getting a new job. I don't think I would ever mind get fired for making that sort of statement - if it gets me fired, I'm probably happier out of there anyway. ChrisA [1] http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=640 - start at http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=638 for context