Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'bug.': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'url:faqs': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'handling,': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'subject:reports': 0.16; 'those,': 0.16; 'url:catb': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'australian': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'starts': 0.20; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'obscure': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'server': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'environment.': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'full': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'smith': 0.68; 'records,': 0.69; 'jul': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'absolutely': 0.87; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=milHoe8DZjoVjAfy/Fu3IPBtCKTVz0lT8MgZLEYIk44=; b=Tqqo5kyyxClISwjsXs2UYCE/inY8ZhA0P7cMsrs9d6c01rPx69qJaesejWtM+tv8+N rQb6JIIScu0kV5bRfO74V5zpfHWA+Fp9iqqNy1DS+RhhQ/gKRtEpKRf2s5E8NMAWUxIx Vylm5pGb4qYOZGu5ts1q/h1bFjZ/5+YNKnhpx1yNzZhPeMEkn+2H8qMibcT3Z3+vJIpd SwTEdVLbyIMRzyJltfhBYG94MeS0UeVGI2kCrVDpWlt/h4HYI9lA3sRdSa1iHDD6NssR lekOMa07K2vZir009YQu2iwV8LQSD6P734lbR7t9P57pFMdo0omg6NTjizyIHiYojfiW vUYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.214.105 with SMTP id nz9mr329790vec.58.1372860936974; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51d375de$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 00:15:36 +1000 Subject: Re: Bug reports [was Re: Python list code of conduct] From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372860945 news.xs4all.nl 15870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38583 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49741 On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Of course, it's possible for there to be dark corners. But if you're >> working with those, you know it full well. The dark corners of Python >> might be in some of its more obscure modules, or maybe in IPv6 >> handling, > > The sad thing about this statement is that IPv6 has been around for > about as long as Python. Yeah, and yet so many ISPs simply don't support it (only one of the Australian ISPs I've worked with does - Internode). So heaps of code just doesn't get tested in an IPv6 environment. I don't know whether there's anything in Python that would fail in that way, but there might be; if someone starts writing a DNS server in Python and runs into difficulties with AAAA records, then it actually might be a library bug. But the concept still applies: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.[1] Before ranting loudly about how Python is buggy, make absolutely sure you're right, and show the evidence. ChrisA [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp5249360