Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.072 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.86; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:134': 0.05; 'say,': 0.05; 'seemed': 0.09; 'subject:extra': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'trees': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'limiting': 0.16; 'relevant.': 0.16; 'resist': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'summarize': 0.16; 'wording': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'examples': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '(or': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'produces': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'much.': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'negative': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'customers': 0.66; 'consequences': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'betraying': 0.84; 'off"': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'remarks': 0.84; 'subject:space': 0.84; 'responses': 0.93 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap8EAF3s01GGuA9G/2dsb2JhbABashaSG4EVgxcBAQQBeAYLCyEWDwkDAgECATMSEwYCAod5AwkGsmuIB4x8gnAWg1cDlWaBZIYOhhKFJYMT Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:21:40 +0200 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130116 Icedove/10.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list References: <51d17954$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51d1a173$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51D1D484.5070309@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D27FB9.7040406@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D2C113.6070105@rece.vub.ac.be> <1264cfb9-f451-40e3-9d59-0619547c8138@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1264cfb9-f451-40e3-9d59-0619547c8138@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372843302 news.xs4all.nl 15937 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55737 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49713 Op 03-07-13 02:30, rurpy@yahoo.com schreef: > If your going to point out something negative about someone > then do so politely. Ask yourself if you were pointing out > incompetence to your boss (or anyone else where impoliteness > could have real consequences for you) if you would say, > "you're incompetent." And so we shift from no problem speaking bluntly or clearly to wording it in a way that wouldn't antagonize your boss too much. Off course that would also mean throwing out remarks like: ] You have betrayed the trust of all your customers. Which seemed to be accepted on this list without a problem. > Please use non-emotional, neutral, factual descriptions > and only do so when it is actually relevant. IOW, please > resist your desire to "tell off" the poster -- it usually > just produces more responses in kind. This is often not workable. Limiting to factual description means that you often can't summarize a list of such factual descriptions into a conclusion. You can list 8 examples of someone betraying the trust of his customers but you can't summarize it into: "is/behaves untrustworthy to his customers," even if all signs point to this person going to continue in the same vein. It is limiting yourself into pointing out all the trees without being allowed to call it a forest. -- Antoon Pardon