Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'root': 0.05; 'incompatible': 0.07; 'attributes': 0.09; 'difference,': 0.09; "people's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:extra': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'caring': 0.16; 'character.': 0.16; 'competent': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'things.': 0.19; 'community.': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'either.': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'absolute': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'acceptable': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'actions': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'act': 0.63; 'interest': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'lack': 0.78; 'actions.': 0.84; 'subject:space': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 10:36:21 +1000 References: <51d17954$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51d1a173$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51D1D484.5070309@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D27FB9.7040406@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D2C113.6070105@rece.vub.ac.be> <7wsizwh9r9.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:W1O8tSOFJr3aRCiMqKYRZ9Sim3E= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372811798 news.xs4all.nl 15872 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35867 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49680 Joshua Landau writes: > Firstly, describing someone's behaviour and describing someone's > character are two completely different things. I agree with that. > Antoon is describing people's character. I disagree with that. To merely describe someone as “incompetent” is not to describe their behaviour: they are not competent to do what they are attempting, which is not a judgement on their character. Just as to merely describe someone as “ignorant” is to describe their lack of knowledge in some area, and is not a judgement on their character. Even character judgements can be appropriate, so long as they are salient to the acceptable behaviours in this forum; there are many character attributes that are incompatible with this community. So since both accurate description of actions and character judgement can be appropriate for discussing acceptable behaviour here, I'll thank you not to make absolute prohibitions against either. > You are talking about describing their actions. Yes. Since you seem to be imputing character judgements to descriptions which are accurate descriptions of behaviour, I think we've found the root of the disagreement. I've made my position clear and will let it rest there. > Calling someone incompetent is an attack It can be part of an attack, but in itself is merely a description of someone's behaviour. > If you cannot see the difference, I'm not sure what more I can say. Likewise. Thanks for caring enough about this community to act in the interest of keeping it open, considerate, and respectful. -- \ “Beware of and eschew pompous prolixity.” —Charles A. Beardsley | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney