Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'say,': 0.05; 'list?': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; '8bit%:30': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:extra': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'question.': 0.14; 'changes': 0.15; '(starting': 0.16; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'make,': 0.16; 'manner,': 0.16; 'needless': 0.16; 'perceived': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'said.': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'term.': 0.16; 'typo': 0.16; 'webservice': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'correct': 0.29; 'hiring': 0.29; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'writes:': 0.31; 'community': 0.33; '(e.g.': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'position.': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'belong': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'server': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'year.': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'term': 0.63; 'july': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'life': 0.66; 'jobs': 0.68; 'increase': 0.74; 'describes': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'subject:space': 0.84; '8bit%:33': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 08:34:02 +1000 References: <51d17954$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51d1a173$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51D1D484.5070309@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D27FB9.7040406@rece.vub.ac.be> <51D2C113.6070105@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xBD41714B X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 9CFE 12B0 791A 4267 887F 520C B7AC 2E51 BD41 714B X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZRNDbiNc2/zjY7FkHpzdYZnu8qo= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372804454 news.xs4all.nl 15873 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39834 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49663 Joshua Landau writes: > On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon wrote: > > Please answer the following question. If someone behaved > > incompetently, how can I clearly state that fact when > > "incompetently" is seen as an insult and insults don't belong on the > > list? > > There is not ever a place on this list where you will need to call > someone incompetent. So even if that term describes their behaviour and manner, you think no-one should ever point it out? > > So what are the non-insulting terms for > > > > incompentent, (starting a webservice in a language you're a newby in, > > making changes on the life server so that any typo you make, can take > > your site out the air), > > You just did it. So you agree the correct term to use *is* “incompetent”, as Anton said. Yet you don't want Anton to use the correct term. Needless to say, I disagree with your position. There is no place for baseless insults in this community; but when the behaviour of someone in this community is harmful, then it is entirely appropriate to use clear terms (e.g. “incompetent”, “inconsiderate”) to describe their behaviour. -- \ “One bad programmer can easily create two new jobs a year. | `\ Hiring more bad programmers will just increase our perceived | _o__) need for them.” —David Lorge Parnas, 1999-03 | Ben Finney